Why does the god of the Bible consider handicapped people...

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Frank wrote:
...I am saying that the Bible is phony.

That is the reason I am raising the questions I am raising. To talk about whether it makes more sense to suppose A GOD said some of these things...or if it makes more sense to suppose ancient humans vented their biases and sensibilities by putting this nonsense in the mouth of a god they invented.

Frank- Although I do not know whether or not there is a God, I have tremendous respect for the Bible. If one considers the level of knowledge and sophistication of the people who were alive at the time that the Bible was written, to me the creation of that work is a marvel.

I don't think that the Bible is nonsense. It is the foundation of the entire Judeo-Christian tradition. The fact that these people were able to codify their thoughts, to create a history, philosophy and system of ethics, is, to me, nothing short of amazing.

I would never dismiss the work of the very early scientists as "nonsense", even though a lot of their work has been proven incorrect. They did the best that they could, with what they had at hand.

I think that the authors of the Bible deserve the same respect.

Well, I must respectfully disagree with the thrust of this post, Phoenix.

I think the Bible is phony.

I do respect the authors.

Here is a link to something I wrote back in August in another thread that may explain my feelings in that regard:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1497955#1497955

...where I wrote:

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And as such...it makes complete sense. As such...my hat is off to the authors. They are to be commended. They did an excellent job of what they had to do. None of this praise is phony. It is heartfelt. The men (and more than likely it was mostly men) who wrote this mythology did so for good and compelling reasons...and they did one hell of a job. For folks today to take this stuff seriously, though, goes beyond silly.

I have no problem with the authors thinking any of the things they put into this bookor the book itself, Phoenixwith two important exceptions:

Onethe part that has them asserting that a God was the author or prime motivator for the bookand

two, that modern people want to use it as a basis for morality today.particularly if they are going to assert its divine authority.

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Hi Phoenix, I must disagree; there's a huge difference between science and the bible. The bible can never be checked and rechecked, but science requires constant rechecking of its theories.

Much of today's bible (and the many versions available) has its foundation in Jewish and Egyptian mythology. That they were able to codify rules of behavior in their time and culture may have some merit, but it's been proven through contemporary research that religious countries have more crime than those with less religion. It's also general knowledge how religion has been the foundation of many crimes against humanity and internal strife within countries.

That there are more verses in the bible about a jealous, vendictive, murderious god compared to a loving, forgiving, reasonable god goes to show the contradictions that are misinterpreted by the religious.

Even the creation of the earth according to the bible is a myth. Science has already confirmed the simple fact that this earth is millions - if not billions of years old.

I'm afraid we have run into our first disagreement.

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Frank wrote:

Onethe part that has them asserting that a God was the author or prime motivator for the bookand

two, that modern people want to use it as a basis for morality today.particularly if they are going to assert its divine authority.

Frank, For your first point, IMO, it was politics as usual. These were superstitious, barely civilized people. The authors would get a lot more mileage (and power and control) attributing the writings to a God, than if the hoi polloi believed that some of their own neighbors wrote it.

I agree with your second point.

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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That there are more verses in the bible about a jealous, vendictive, murderious god compared to a loving, forgiving, reasonable god goes to show the contradictions that are misinterpreted by the religious.

Perhaps the misinterpretations are on the part of the non-religious? Has this thought ever crossed your mind? And, how would you know they are misinterpreted if you don't understand the Bible in the first place? You have made it very clear you believe the Bible to be a comic book. Are you given to interpreting comic books?

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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That there are more verses in the bible about a jealous, vendictive, murderious god compared to a loving, forgiving, reasonable god goes to show the contradictions that are misinterpreted by the religious.

Perhaps the misinterpretations are on the part of the non-religious? Has this thought ever crossed your mind? And, how would you know they are misinterpreted if you don't understand the Bible in the first place? You have made it very clear you believe the Bible to be a comic book. Are you given to interpreting comic books?

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Phoenix,
I wonder why a superstitious, barely civilized people would create this fantastic story and to what end? What could they gain by it?

Regarding the second point. I do not agree. Modern people do not attempt to use Leviticus as a moral standard for today.

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Sorry about my double post! Computer is acting possessed or something! Twisted Evil

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Momma Angel wrote:

Sorry about my double post! Computer is acting possessed or something!

I read that they were making a change to the forum to prevent double posts. Must not be implemented yet.

Momma... I am surprised at you. A Christian believing in possession. ;-)

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Hey there is a devil and I don't put much past him. He's a sneaky ole thing! Laughing

Right back at ya! :wink:

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Intrepid wrote:

Phoenix,
I wonder why a superstitious, barely civilized people would create this fantastic story and to what end? What could they gain by it?

Regarding the second point. I do not agree. Modern people do not attempt to use Leviticus as a moral standard for today.

First point: The same thing that some people want today...........power and control. Fear is a terrific motivator. Make people afraid, tell them that you can alleviate their fears, and you have them "in your pocket".

Second point: I was talking about the Bible in general, and how some groups use the passages in it to justify some of their beliefs.

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I guess they were'nt so backward and uncivilized after all. They were pretty sharp for a bunch of desert beggars. :-o

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Probably so.

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Here's one of the goodies from the bible:

God causes 42 children to be killed by bears because they tease Elisha about his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24).

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God caused the baldness, then takes it out on innnocent children for making fun of "baldness" by killing 42 of them. A loving god for sure!

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Cicerone Imposter,

It would be nice if you included the entire story for one thing. For another thing, children having respect for their elders was strictly enforced in those times. Even Frank can tell you that! He quotes that one verse enough.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Here's one of the goodies from the bible:

God causes 42 children to be killed by bears because they tease Elisha about his baldness (2 Kings 2:23-24).

Where did you read that God caused this? I am surprised that you consider a sad tale such as is written here is a "goody" in the bible.

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C.I.,

Didn't you tell us one time that you are of Japanese decent?

What about the old ways of the Japanese and how women were treated? Isn't it true that at one time a female child's feet were bound so that her feet would stay tiny? Aren't women supposed to be subservient to the men, such as walking behind them, etc.?

I am not sure if that is Japanese but I seem to recall reading something about that.

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2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. (2:23-24)

2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

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And where did it say that God made the bears come out of the woods and eat the kids?

Perhaps the bears were just in the woods where bears are? And, it wasn't God that did the cursing, was it?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

dlowan wrote:
Not uncommon, I believe, in ancient religions.

Eg, people with defects were not, I believe, allowed near the ancient olympics.

I suspect fear made people think they were cursed by god or somesuch.

Actually, it is common in animals to shun, or kill, deformed and injured members of their group.

Just an earlier stage of civilisation.

Lol...I know this is not what you want, Frank, but I thought i would give it to you anyway....heehee.....

This is exactly what I wanted, bunny...and exactly what I would have responded if the question has been propose TO me rather than BY me.

Do you understand why that is?

Lol, I believe so, yes.

But Phoenix and I are not, methinks, who and what you are aiming at.

:wink:

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