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Impeacheable? Bush?

 
 
woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 09:24 am
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
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Why did the Senate overwhelmingly vote to give GW the authority to go in?


1) Congress never voted to go to invade Iraq 2) The vote was based on lies 3) Congress trusted the President of the United States not to cook the intelligence 4) Congress trusted the President to use the authority wisely


1. As usual, you are wrong.

"The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (H.J.Res. 114) was a resolution passed in October 2002 by the United States Congress authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War under the War Powers Resolution. The authorization was sought by U.S. President George W. Bush, and it passed the House by a vote of 296-133 and the Senate by a vote of 77-23, receiving significant support from both major political parties. It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002.

The act cited several factors to justify a war:

Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region"
Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population"
Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people"
Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt of George Bush Sr, and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War
Iraq's connection to terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda
Fear that Iraq would provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against the United States
The act praised President Bush's diplomatic efforts at the UN Security Council to "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions." It authorized him to use military force to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq." Before being permitted to use force, the President was required to determine that further diplomatic efforts alone would not satisfactorily protect the United States or ensure Iraq's compliance with UNSC resolutions.

The act was significant in that it did not require the President to obtain UN Security Council authorization. Further, even if Iraq complied with UNSC resolutions, the President was still authorized to attack in order to protect the United States. This was, in effect, approval for President Bush to act unilaterally. This was viewed among American conservatives as a major impetus for the UNSC's unanimous adoption of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 a few weeks later.

2. See above.

3. Irrelevant. Congress should be a check and balance arm of the Govt.

4. He did.

NEXT!!!
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 09:34 am
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is a fact. Trying to shift the blame from the President who committed impeachable offenses by lying us into an unnecessary war to the Congess is pathetic.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 09:39 am
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is a fact. Trying to shift the blame from the President who committed impeachable offenses by lying us into an unnecessary war to the Congess is pathetic.


Either you can't read, or your ability to comprehend the written word is non existant.

Either way, you continue to react foolishly.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2005 09:46 am
woiyo wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is a fact. Trying to shift the blame from the President who committed impeachable offenses by lying us into an unnecessary war to the Congess is pathetic.


Either you can't read, or your ability to comprehend the written word is non existant.[sic]

Either way, you continue to react foolishly.


You are projecting again, woiyo.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 03:06 am
Would a direct quote( which can, of course, be easily checked) assuage "Twin peaks'" concerns?

"Bush at War"--by Bob Woodward--Page 351

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"But on October 10 and 11 the House and the Senate overwhelmingly voted to grant the president FULL AUTHORITY TO ATTACK IRAQ UNILATERALLY. The vote in the House was 296 to 133, and in the Senate 77 to 23. The Congress gave Bush the full go-ahead to use the military "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" to defend against the threat of Iraq."
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 10:57 am
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 11:18 am
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.


Then why did they vote to allow the President the ability to wage war?

""The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (H.J.Res. 114) was a resolution passed in October 2002 by the United States Congress authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War under the War Powers Resolution. The authorization was sought by U.S. President George W. Bush, and it passed the House by a vote of 296-133 and the Senate by a vote of 77-23, receiving significant support from both major political parties. It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002. "

Please, do not post an BS about so called lies.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 11:48 am
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.


It is still an irrefutable fact. At least to those who can comprehend a simple statement written in clear, plain English.


Congress never voted to invade Iraq.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 11:57 am
woiyo wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.


Then why did they vote to allow the President the ability to wage war?

""The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq (H.J.Res. 114) was a resolution passed in October 2002 by the United States Congress authorizing what was soon to become the Iraq War under the War Powers Resolution. The authorization was sought by U.S. President George W. Bush, and it passed the House by a vote of 296-133 and the Senate by a vote of 77-23, receiving significant support from both major political parties. It was signed into law by President Bush on October 16, 2002. "

Please, do not post an BS about so called lies.


Is the above question too hard for you to answer?

Naw... You do not HAVE the ability to answer it.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:03 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.


It is still an irrefutable fact. At least to those who can comprehend a simple statement written in clear, plain English.


Congress never voted to invade Iraq.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:17 pm
She's obviously not going to answer your question woiyo.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:22 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Congress never voted to invade Iraq. That is an irrefutable fact.


It is still an irrefutable fact. At least to those who can comprehend a simple statement written in clear, plain English.


Congress never voted to invade Iraq.


I am waiting for someone to dispute the validity of this statement. No one can because it is irrefutable.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:30 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
She's obviously not going to answer your question woiyo.


She can't because she does not understand the Constitution.

See, as you know, the President has the power to wage war for a limited time until The Congress votes to Declare War.

So the repsonse to "it's" statement is, it IS correct that Congress never voted to invade Iraq. The US Congress never voted to invade Japan or Germany either during WW2.

So what THIS CONGRESS did, was opposed to voteing to DECLARE WAR, it provided the President with UNLIMITED POWERS to WAGE war.

Why do you, TICO, think the Congress did that?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:36 pm
Let me take a guess here woiyo. They did that so the president would have the authority to invade Iraq if he decided that US interests dictated that course of action.

Do I get an A? Smile
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:42 pm
CoastalRat wrote:
Let me take a guess here woiyo. They did that so the president would have the authority to invade Iraq if he decided that US interests dictated that course of action.

Do I get an A? Smile


Hey! ..... I was going to say that.

<pouting>
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:43 pm
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:55 pm
Authority, eh? So finally someone acknowleges that the Congress never voted to invade Iraq. Wow! CR must have actually passed the Fourth Grade with flying colors.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:58 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Authority, eh? So finally someone acknowleges that the Congress never voted to invade Iraq. Wow! CR must have actually passed the Fourth Grade with flying colors.


That was obvious ab initio. What is your point in parsing such a distinction?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 12:59 pm
Her point was the same as most of her other posts, to ridicule someone with opposing views. Same old stuff we've always seen from her.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 9 Nov, 2005 01:06 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Authority, eh? So finally someone acknowleges that the Congress never voted to invade Iraq. Wow! CR must have actually passed the Fourth Grade with flying colors.


You want to take a crack at answering the direct qquestion posed to you earlier?

(I'll give you some help, the 4th grader posted the correct answer.)
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