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Impeacheable? Bush?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 07:19 am
blatham wrote:
OK. On the first, I assumed you referred to the electorate generally. Impeachment would require Republican votes only if some Dems don't go along (likely scenario) as this is established by majority vote, in my understanding.


It takes a simple majority vote in the House to impeach and start a trial in the Senate, but it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict and remove from office.

I don't think the Democrats are likely to get a 2/3 majority.



blatham wrote:
On the second, a deeply relevant question isn't whether he was guilty of perjury (he was...but was he also found guilty of obstruction?)


Actually, he wasn't found guilty of anything at all. But he was impeached for obstruction as well as perjury, and the evidence seemed to be there on two of the obstruction charges.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/7groundsv.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/icreport/7groundsix.htm



blatham wrote:
but rather whether the entire political process which ended up in impeachment was driven by a goal of smear/impeachment.


The problem is, the entire process wasn't.

The sexual harassment lawsuit against him was clearly being used for just that purpose (note: the infamous Ann Coulter was one of the people who were orchestrating the Jones lawsuit for that purpose). But once Clinton committed the crimes to avoid telling about Lewinsky, and the conspirators made sure that the proof got into Starr's hands, the process was taken over by people who were not simply out to get Clinton.



blatham wrote:
And that's where the citizen perception was absolutely understandable.


I'm not sure I understand it. If someone is hit with a bogus sexual harassment lawsuit, that doesn't justify perjury and obstruction to undermine the court. The proper remedy is to demonstrate that there is no case and ask for summary judgment.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 07:25 am
blatham wrote:
I asked previously (I didn't see an answer though you may have advanced it) whether you'd lost someone in 9/11. If so, please let me know and I'll end off on this line of discussion.


No, I didn't know anyone involved in the attack.

But to answer the other part of your earlier question, I am approaching the matter from a purely emotional perspective.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 07:42 am
blatham wrote:
I'm a Canadian though presently living in Manhattan. I don't belong to any party anywhere and was active politically only once briefly, when I was too young to vote (in support of an exceptional man, Pierre Trudeau). I mention all this as lead in to a proposition I'd like you to seriously consider, a proposition arising from a fairly objective observer.

As you likely know, when Clinton's impeachment was in the works, there was a broad consensus outside of the US that the whole matter was quite trivial because it 1) involved a personal sexual matter at base


I'm not sure how that minimizes the crime.

If people can commit perjury and obstruction every time they think a court proceeding is unfair to them then the entire legal process will implode, because chances are most people who are in court will feel that way.



blatham wrote:
and 2) it was broadly seen as a consequence of not merely a certain oddly American take on sexuality (rather Victorian) but also that it was a political hatchet-job - that is, that it was driven by a purposive strategy involving lots of funding and activism to discredit Clinton and to regain the White House for Republicans (for perspective, the present administration has suffered merely a handful of investigations while the Clinton administration suffered hundreds).


I think the difference in the number of investigations is mostly due to the fact that they didn't renew the independent council law.



blatham wrote:
Of course, many in your country held simillar notions. In the end, the Republicans had to ease off on the whole matter because it was hurting them in the polls and electorally.


From my memory the Republicans pushed it all the way until they lost the vote in the Senate.



blatham wrote:
For many, the more egregious acts in this whole matter related not to Clinton's blowjob and lying, but rather to the expenditures of money and civic representatives' time taken up by the matter (when they ought to have been thinking about governance and the citizens instead).


I know some think that, but I can't quite follow their logic.

We pay for criminal investigations for good reason, I think. And while it is a shame if a criminal investigation distracts our leaders, the alternative is to make our leaders above the law.



blatham wrote:
And I'll ask you further, as part of this proposition, to consider that for many of us looking at the US from outside or from inside, that there are matters relevant to this administration of far deeper import, most specifically, the possibility that the administration began a questionable war (Iraq) while knowingly forwarding deceits and exaggerations to manufacture support and now, perhaps also while violating laws carefully worked out previously to prevent abuses of political power.


I can see how they pushed intelligence that favored what they wanted to hear, but I don't think they were lying outright. They seemed to have believed that what they were pushing was true.

As for the war being questionable, I don't see why that is such a big deal. A lot of wars are questionable.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 07:50 am
Careful and forthright. Delightful to speak with you.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 10:17 pm
Published on Thursday, December 22, 2005 by Knight-Ridder
Note to Mr. Bush: The U.S. is Not a Monarchy
by Joseph L. Galloway

Our forefathers created a system of government built on checks and balances that they envisioned would protect a free people from abuses of their privacy, their property and their liberty at the hands of anyone, especially anyone in public office.

They never intended for an imperial presidency to rise above the legislative and judicial branches of government, for they had their fill of kings and emperors who ruled with absolute power in the old world. They knew that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

They wanted none of this, and wrote a Constitution and Bill of Rights to enshrine the protections they knew were needed to keep Americans free and democracy healthy.

They crafted a system of government rooted in the principle that citizens have rights and presidents violate those rights at their own peril.

Let us review the bidding as the dark year 2005 fades:

President Bush admits that he secretly ordered the government to eavesdrop on American citizens, without recourse to the established legal methods of doing that. He declares that he had and has the right to do so. Says who? Well, he says so, and Vice President Cheney says so, and his attorney general, Alberto R. Gonzales, says so too.

Some legal scholars beg to differ, arguing that the president has violated federal law and has opened himself to impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors. They contend that he trampled the Constitution in a bid to expand the powers of the executive branch and conduct the war on terrorism.

This is the same president, the same administration, that under cover of the same wartime power grab declared their right to detain prisoners outside the court system in secret foreign prisons and the right to use inhumane and degrading measures in interrogating those prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

In ordering the National Security Agency to intercept phone and e-mail traffic of American citizens, members of the administration chose not to avail themselves of a secret federal court established nearly 30 years ago to provide the government the means to secretly investigate anyone believed to have ties to foreign governments or movements that threaten the United States.

They say it is too cumbersome and slow to seek warrants from that court - even though the court has granted such warrants in more than 17,400 cases and only rejected them four times. They say they must move more swiftly - even though the law permits them to eavesdrop for 72 hours before seeking a warrant that is routinely and quickly granted.

Some suggest that the Bush administration's real reason for cutting the secret court out of the loop is that some of the information they are basing the secret wiretaps on was gotten through torture. The court warned early on that it would not permit information gotten through extra-legal or illegal methods to pervert the American court system.

Congress passed the law creating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court precisely because another president, Richard Nixon, bent the intelligence agencies and the entire government to his will in pursuing those he considered his enemies. If you made the Nixon enemies list, then your phones were tapped, your comings and goings watched, your tax returns audited.

How big a leap is it from ignoring the rule of law in pursuing foreign enemies to pursuing and punishing domestic enemies, those Americans who for political reasons or reasons of principle oppose your aims?

The president and his vice president and his attorney general are saying, essentially, trust us. We won't use our extra-legal powers against ordinary Americans. We just want to protect you from further terrorist attacks. Trust us. We are honorable men who have nothing but your well being at heart.

Sorry. That won't cut it. They have all the legal tools any president needs already on the books for our protection. Congress makes the laws. The judiciary interprets them. The president and all the rest of us live by them.

George W. Bush is not the emperor of America or the king of the 50 states of the union. He, like us, must live by the rule of law. He is bound by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In the end, he works for us.

As Ben Franklin wrote more than two centuries ago: "Those who would give up essential liberty in the pursuit of a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

Joseph L. Galloway is the senior military correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers and co-author of the national best-seller "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young."

2005 Knight-Ridder


Yeah. Buck Fush.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 10:44 pm
It is quite clear that Blatham, the Canadian, who now lives in Manhattan( I sincerely hope that the Patriot Act is not allowed to expire since Manhattan might be a prime target for the insurgents if they are not monitored carefully) knows very very little about the Clinton Impeachment.
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I use for my source a book written by the most distinguished jurist, Richard A. Posner--"An Affair of State"

First.let us get rid of the ridiculous notion that he was impeached because of his sexual activities.

Posner writes: P. 45

"The fact that a witness is asked about his sex life does not confver a license to lie, on the theory that sex is private and questions about sex immaterial per se. Sexual activity is material to many legal claims, both old and new, ranging from actions for divorce and disputes over custody and prosecutions for rape, incest, sodomy, child molestation, and the production of pornographic films to actions for sexual harassment, palimony, defamation,, the knowing transmission of a sexually transmitted disease and paternity"

What crimes did President Clinton commit?

Posner--P. 36

"The only crime plausably attributed to the President growing out of his affair with Lewinsky was OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE(p. 38) improperly influencing other witnesses, mainly in the Paula Jones case, and committe perjury in his deposition in that case, in his testimony before the grand jury and in his answers in the questions put to him by the House Judiciary Committee"


Did Clinton lie?

P. 46

"He lied when he said he had never been "alone" with Lewinsky because there had always been other people in the vicinity, notably Betty Currie at her desk outside the Oval Office, stewards in a near by pantry, Secret Service agents prowling about seemingly everywhere,"
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:15 pm
This thread is about impeaching BUSH. Not Clinton. That affair has been over quite awhile ago, or did you not hear? Cool If you can't stick with the subject, go make your own thread eh? You can talk about Clinton/Lewinsky/blue dress until you throw up. Doesn't change the fact that Bush-the-village-idiot is making big mistakes, as discussed below.


englishmajor wrote:
Published on Thursday, December 22, 2005 by Knight-Ridder

Note to Mr. Bush: The U.S. is Not a Monarchy


by Joseph L. Galloway

Our forefathers created a system of government built on checks and balances that they envisioned would protect a free people from abuses of their privacy, their property and their liberty at the hands of anyone, especially anyone in public office.

They never intended for an imperial presidency to rise above the legislative and judicial branches of government, for they had their fill of kings and emperors who ruled with absolute power in the old world. They knew that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

They wanted none of this, and wrote a Constitution and Bill of Rights to enshrine the protections they knew were needed to keep Americans free and democracy healthy.

They crafted a system of government rooted in the principle that citizens have rights and presidents violate those rights at their own peril.

Let us review the bidding as the dark year 2005 fades:

President Bush admits that he secretly ordered the government to eavesdrop on American citizens, without recourse to the established legal methods of doing that. He declares that he had and has the right to do so. Says who? Well, he says so, and Vice President Cheney says so, and his attorney general, Alberto R. Gonzales, says so too.

Some legal scholars beg to differ, arguing that the president has violated federal law and has opened himself to impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors. They contend that he trampled the Constitution in a bid to expand the powers of the executive branch and conduct the war on terrorism.

This is the same president, the same administration, that under cover of the same wartime power grab declared their right to detain prisoners outside the court system in secret foreign prisons and the right to use inhumane and degrading measures in interrogating those prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

In ordering the National Security Agency to intercept phone and e-mail traffic of American citizens, members of the administration chose not to avail themselves of a secret federal court established nearly 30 years ago to provide the government the means to secretly investigate anyone believed to have ties to foreign governments or movements that threaten the United States.

They say it is too cumbersome and slow to seek warrants from that court - even though the court has granted such warrants in more than 17,400 cases and only rejected them four times. They say they must move more swiftly - even though the law permits them to eavesdrop for 72 hours before seeking a warrant that is routinely and quickly granted.

Some suggest that the Bush administration's real reason for cutting the secret court out of the loop is that some of the information they are basing the secret wiretaps on was gotten through torture. The court warned early on that it would not permit information gotten through extra-legal or illegal methods to pervert the American court system.

Congress passed the law creating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court precisely because another president, Richard Nixon, bent the intelligence agencies and the entire government to his will in pursuing those he considered his enemies. If you made the Nixon enemies list, then your phones were tapped, your comings and goings watched, your tax returns audited.

How big a leap is it from ignoring the rule of law in pursuing foreign enemies to pursuing and punishing domestic enemies, those Americans who for political reasons or reasons of principle oppose your aims?

The president and his vice president and his attorney general are saying, essentially, trust us. We won't use our extra-legal powers against ordinary Americans. We just want to protect you from further terrorist attacks. Trust us. We are honorable men who have nothing but your well being at heart.

Sorry. That won't cut it. They have all the legal tools any president needs already on the books for our protection. Congress makes the laws. The judiciary interprets them. The president and all the rest of us live by them.

George W. Bush is not the emperor of America or the king of the 50 states of the union. He, like us, must live by the rule of law. He is bound by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In the end, he works for us.

As Ben Franklin wrote more than two centuries ago: "Those who would give up essential liberty in the pursuit of a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

Joseph L. Galloway is the senior military correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers and co-author of the national best-seller "We Were Soldiers Once ... and Young."

2005 Knight-Ridder


Yeah. Buck Fush.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:29 pm
Have you read the thread? If you will go back to the exchange between Blotham and oralloy, you will find that Clinton is mentioned frequently.

When one speaks of impeachment or the threat of impeachement, it is almost compulsory to mention others who have been impeached previously, unless, that is, you wish to claim that US History began in 2000.
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:31 pm
The use of Benjamin Franklin's admonition about liberty is amusing. I particularly like the part about "A LITTLE TEMPORARY SECURITY"

I wonder if the poor souls burned alive in the WTC could have used a LITTLE TEMPORARY SECURITY.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2005 11:57 pm
"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of free government ought to be trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." -Jhon Adams
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 01:53 am
"No government proper ever had a provision in its organic law for its own termination" Abraham Lincoln.

"The Constitution of the United States is NOT a suicide pact"
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 06:49 am
englishmajor wrote:
This thread is about impeaching BUSH. Not Clinton. That affair has been over quite awhile ago, or did you not hear? Cool If you can't stick with the subject, go make your own thread eh?


The rank hypocrisy of "Democrats who want the law to apply to Bush after they placed Clinton above the law" is completely relevant to any thread where Democrats want to apply the law to Bush.

I can see how such hypocrisy is discomforting to them. Yet, so long as the Democrats are completely unapologetic about their hypocrisy, it needs to be raised anytime they go after Bush.



Quote:
This is the same president, the same administration, that under cover of the same wartime power grab declared their right to detain prisoners outside the court system in secret foreign prisons and the right to use inhumane and degrading measures in interrogating those prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions.


Torture is certainly a violation of the Geneva Conventions, and Bush is flagrantly violating this.

However, the Geneva Conventions do allow captured combatants to be held outside the court system.

If they are legal combatants they are held as POWs. If they are illegal combatants like spies or saboteurs (or members of al-Qa'ida), they can be held incommunicado.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 06:55 am
Quote:
Daschle: Congress Denied Bush War Powers in U.S.

By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A04

The Bush administration requested, and Congress rejected, war-making authority "in the United States" in negotiations over the joint resolution passed days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to an opinion article by former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) in today's Washington Post.

Daschle's disclosure challenges a central legal argument offered by the White House in defense of the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. It suggests that Congress refused explicitly to grant authority that the Bush administration now asserts is implicit in the resolution.


The Justice Department acknowledged yesterday, in a letter to Congress, that the president's October 2001 eavesdropping order did not comply with "the 'procedures' of" the law that has regulated domestic espionage since 1978. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, established a secret intelligence court and made it a criminal offense to conduct electronic surveillance without a warrant from that court, "except as authorized by statute."

There is one other statutory authority for wiretapping, which covers conventional criminal cases. That law describes itself, along with FISA, as "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted."

Yesterday's letter, signed by Assistant Attorney General William Moschella, asserted...


Washington Post Article
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 01:11 pm
oralloy- Recently there appeared an interesting little tidbit on "Torture" which quoted Senator McCain, the cheif sponsor of the"Anti-Torture" bill.

quote

ACROSS THE NATION

Washington, D. C.

McCain tempers torture policy

Sen. John McCain, who pushed the White House to support a ban on torture suggested Sunday that harsh treatment of a terrorism suspect who knows of an imminent attack WOULD NOT VIOLATE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

The Airzona Republican said legislation before Congress would establish in the US law the international standard banning any treatment of prisoners that "shocks the conscience" including mock executions.

Asked on ABC's "This Week" whether such treatment of a terrorism suspect who could reveal information that could stop a terrorist operation would "shock the conscience". McCain said it would not."


IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT ANY R E F U S A L TO USE TORTURE ON A SUSPECT THAT HAS INFORMATION WHICH COULD STOP AN ATTACK( like the ones that killed hundreds in Britan and Spain) WOULD 'SHOCK THE CONSCIENCE". It is the duty of a country's military to defend us. Under the circumstances agreed to by Senator McCain, it is absolutely necessary to use torture if the suspect refuses to give information. It would be a MORAL OUTRAGE if torture were not used under those circumsances since so many innocent lives would be at risk.
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2005 03:50 pm
Amigo wrote:
"There is danger from all men. The only maxim of free government ought to be trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." -Jhon Adams


Good quote, Amigo. Also "absolute power corrupts absolutely" We've seen evidence of that, certainly, in the U.S. Cool
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 09:29 am
Quote:
The rank hypocrisy of "Democrats who want the law to apply to Bush after they placed Clinton above the law" is completely relevant to any thread where Democrats want to apply the law to Bush.

I can see how such hypocrisy is discomforting to them. Yet, so long as the Democrats are completely unapologetic about their hypocrisy, it needs to be raised anytime they go after Bush.


As an argument, this is a bit of a train-wreck.

If hypocrisy is evidenced in insisting on a standard for a disfavored party but yet not insisting on that same standard for another favored fellow, then it is clearly 'rank hypocrisy' to allow Bush leniency or faultlessness when that wasn't granted to Clinton.

Quote:

Torture is certainly a violation of the Geneva Conventions, and Bush is flagrantly violating this.


And what remedy then? Surely, this is constitutes a greater insult to morality and to the stature of the office of the President than that which Clinton was guilty of.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 09:35 am
http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:01 am
Here are some interesting statistics:

Percentage of Americans who said in Novermber that the Valerie Plame leak scandal was of "great importance"... 51

Percentage who said, two months before President Nixon resigned, that Watergate was "very serious"... 49

Percentage who said it was "just politics"... 42

Years since a White House official as senior as Lewis Libby has been indicted while in office... 130

Percentage approval of Bill Clinton the day after impeachment... 73

Percentage approval of Bush in November... 37

Percentage of Russians today who approve of the direction their country took under Stalin... 37

Number of US prisoners serving life sentences with no parole for crimes they committed while juveniles... 2,225

Number of prisoners serving such sentences in all the other countries combined... 12

Number of small businesses that applied for the US disaster loans after last fall's hurricanes... 244,602

Percentage that had been approved as of mid-November... 3

(courtesy Harper's Index)
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englishmajor
 
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Reply Mon 26 Dec, 2005 11:30 pm
blatham wrote:
Here are some interesting statistics:

Percentage of Americans who said in Novermber that the Valerie Plame leak scandal was of "great importance"... 51

Percentage who said, two months before President Nixon resigned, that Watergate was "very serious"... 49

Percentage who said it was "just politics"... 42

Years since a White House official as senior as Lewis Libby has been indicted while in office... 130

Percentage approval of Bill Clinton the day after impeachment... 73

Percentage approval of Bush in November... 37

Percentage of Russians today who approve of the direction their country took under Stalin... 37

Number of US prisoners serving life sentences with no parole for crimes they committed while juveniles... 2,225

Number of prisoners serving such sentences in all the other countries combined... 12

Number of small businesses that applied for the US disaster loans after last fall's hurricanes... 244,602

Percentage that had been approved as of mid-November... 3

(courtesy Harper's Index)

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America just keeps slipping lower and lower on my scale. Here's an article from the Washington Post/NY Times - now Bush doesn't want free speech! Why does he think it's built into the Constitution? Who the he** does he think he is? Stalin? Heil Bush!

Published on Monday, December 26, 2005 by the Washington Post
Bush Presses Editors on Security
by Howard Kurtz

President Bush has been summoning newspaper editors lately in an effort to prevent publication of stories he considers damaging to national security.
The efforts have failed, but the rare White House sessions with the executive editors of The Washington Post and New York Times are an indication of how seriously the president takes the recent reporting that has raised questions about the administration's anti-terror tactics.

Leonard Downie Jr., The Post's executive editor, would not confirm the meeting with Bush before publishing reporter Dana Priest's Nov. 2 article disclosing the existence of secret CIA prisons in Eastern Europe used to interrogate terror suspects. Bill Keller, executive editor of the Times, would not confirm that he, publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. and Washington bureau chief Philip Taubman had an Oval Office sit-down with the president on Dec. 5, 11 days before reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau revealed that Bush had authorized eavesdropping on Americans and others within the United States without court orders.

But the meetings were confirmed by sources who have been briefed on them but are not authorized to comment because both sides had agreed to keep the sessions off the record. The White House had no comment.

"When senior administration officials raised national security questions about details in Dana's story during her reporting, at their request we met with them on more than one occasion," Downie says. "The meetings were off the record for the purpose of discussing national security issues in her story." At least one of the meetings involved John Negroponte, the director of national intelligence, and CIA Director Porter Goss, the sources said.

"This was a matter of concern for intelligence officials, and they sought to address their concerns," an intelligence official said. Some liberals criticized The Post for withholding the location of the prisons at the administration's request.

After Bush's meeting with the Times executives, first reported by Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, the president assailed the paper's piece on domestic spying, calling the leak of classified information "shameful." Some liberals, meanwhile, attacked the paper for holding the story for more than a year after earlier meetings with administration officials.

"The decision to hold the story last year was mine," Keller says. "The decision to run the story last week was mine. I'm comfortable with both decisions. Beyond that, there's just no way to have a full discussion of the internal procedural twists that media writers find so fascinating without talking about what we knew, when, and how -- and that I can't do."

Some Times staffers say the story was revived in part because of concerns that Risen is publishing a book on the CIA next month that will include the disclosures. But Keller told the Los Angeles Times: "The publication was not timed to the Iraqi election, the Patriot Act debate, Jim's forthcoming book or any other event."

Bought Off?

The admission by two columnists that they accepted payments from indicted Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff may be the tip of a large and rather dirty iceberg.

Copley News Service last week dropped Doug Bandow -- who also resigned as a Cato Institute scholar -- after he acknowledged taking as much as $2,000 a pop from Abramoff for up to two dozen columns favorable to the lobbyist's clients. "I am fully responsible and I won't play victim," Bandow said in a statement after Business Week broke the story. "Obviously, I regret stupidly calling to question my record of activism and writing that extends over 20 years. . . . For that I deeply apologize."

Peter Ferrara of the Institute for Policy Innovation has acknowledged taking payments years ago from a half-dozen lobbyists, including Abramoff. Two of his papers, the Washington Times and Manchester (N.H.) Union Leader, have now dropped him. But Ferrara is unapologetic, saying: "There is nothing unethical about taking money from someone and writing an article."

Readers might disagree on grounds that they have no way of knowing about such undisclosed payments, which seem to be an increasingly common tactic for companies trying to influence public debate through ostensibly neutral third parties. When he was a Washington lawyer several years ago, says law professor Glenn Reynolds, a telecommunications carrier offered him a fat paycheck -- up to $20,000, he believes -- to write an opinion piece favorable to its position. He declined.

In the case of Bandow's columns, says Reynolds, who now writes the InstaPundit blog, "one argument is, it's probably something he thought anyway, but it doesn't pass the smell test to me. I wouldn't necessarily call it criminal, but it seems wrong. People want to craft a rule, but what you really need is a sense of shame."

Jonathan Adler, an associate law professor and National Review contributor, wrote that when he worked at a think tank, "I was offered cash payments to write op-eds on particular topics by PR firms, lobbyists or corporations several times. They offered $1,000 or more for an op-ed," offers that Adler rejected. Blogger Rand Simberg writes that "I've also declined offers of money to write specific pieces, even though I agreed with the sentiment."

Two years ago, former Michigan senator Don Riegle wrote an op-ed attacking Visa and MasterCard without disclosing that his PR firm was representing Wal-Mart -- which was suing the two credit card companies.

Porn, Privacy and Participation

Kurt Eichenwald says he knew he would take heat for his decision to urge a teenager involved in child pornography to give up the business and cooperate with federal investigators.

"We are sitting there facing a horrible reality," the New York Times reporter says. "Every day I'm sitting there working on the story, there are children being molested and exploited, and we have a source who knows who and where they are."

The lengthy Times report last week on Justin Berry, now 19, whose cooperation with the Justice Department has led to several arrests, was remarkable, not least because it was Eichenwald who persuaded the young man to give up drugs and stop performing sexual acts for paying customers in front of a webcam -- and even referred him to a lawyer. The reporter clearly crossed the line from observer to participant.

"I knew our profession would look at this and say this was a troubling result," Eichenwald says. "But every result was troubling. I'm interviewing a kid and he suddenly starts naming children and telling me where they are and what's happening to them. He knew which kid was under the control of which pedophile."

Slate media critic Jack Shafer is among those who have raised questions, writing: "Would a Times reporter extend similar assistance to an 18-year-old female prostitute? An 18-year-old fence? A seller of illegal guns? No way. . . . Will online pornographers and other allied criminals now regard reporters as agents of the state?"

At a July meeting with top editors and company lawyers, Eichenwald says, Executive Editor Bill Keller said that " 'we've got to do the right thing.' . . . It would have been easier to come up with all sorts of explanations of why we should walk away."

Eichenwald says he had to persuade Berry, an abused child who was lured into performing for the webcam when he was 13, to get out of the porn business and give up drugs for him to be useful as a source for the paper. The reporter says he personally provided information to the FBI about a 15-year-old boy being lured to a Las Vegas hotel by Berry's 38-year-old business partner, who was arrested before the planned rendezvous.

"I knew we'd be criticized for getting a source to become a federal witness," Eichenwald says. But he says he's had nightmares and, as a father, feels "an enormous amount of guilt" about other children in the porn ring that he did not try to help.

If all this sounds like a movie, Eichenwald got calls from Hollywood within hours.

Plunging Reputations

"The image consultant said, 'You've got to stop wearing those turtlenecks. I think you've got to start showing some cleavage.' I told her I didn't think America was ready for that." -- ABC's Judy Muller, quoted by Amy Tenowich in a Los Angeles Daily News column on female journalists baring more skin.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company
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Mortkat
 
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Reply Tue 27 Dec, 2005 01:26 am
Blotham's statistics apparently do not mean a thing.

Facts are important. Poll numbers contradicted by election results are only numbers.

Fact- George W. Bush was elected President of the United States in 2000. The Republicans retained their majority in the House and Senate which they had seized from the glandularly challenged Bill Clinton as far back as 1994.

Fact- AGAINST ALL TRADITION, THE GOP ADDED TO THEIR MAJORITY IN 2002 IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE. THE PARTY IN POWER USUALLY LOSES
SEATS IN OFF YEAR ELECTIONS.

Fact- George W. Bush was elected President of the United States in 2004. The Republicans ADDED seats to their majority in the House and Senate

I confidently predict that the GOP will retain the majorities in the House and Senate in the 2006 off year elections thus enabling President Bush to complete his agenda.
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