why 3 grand juries

<yawn>

The Texas courts will decide the outcome, not the media.

If DeLay's guilty, then he's guilty. And $190,000 is slightly different from $250. If Earl gets convicted of it, then fine.

Of course, it doesn't sound like he conspired to break the law, does it?

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Re: why 3 grand juries

mysteryman wrote:

Question,if the evidence was so strong,why did it take 3 grand juries?
Why did the first one refuse to indict?

As I read it, it's been more like seven grand juries.

W. should issue a blanket pardon for Tom DeLay for any crimes for which he might have been indicted by Ronnie Earle, past, present, and future.

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Note that DeLay has no ability to defend himself, rather, he employs the typical Republican tactic of attacking those who attack him...

It's a weak defense, and not one that is gonna work this time....

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Note that DeLay has no ability to defend himself, rather, he employs the typical Republican tactic of attacking those who attack him...

It's a weak defense, and not one that is gonna work this time....

Cycloptichorn

I would not call it a REPUBLICAN TACTIC, since everyone who has ever been guilty of something would use the same tactic. These politicians who bend the finance rules, like Delay, Pilosi, Clinton are nothing more than mobsters collecting their "vig" from those they "provide protection" for.

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DrewDad wrote:

<yawn>

The Texas courts will decide the outcome, not the media.

If DeLay's guilty, then he's guilty. And $190,000 is slightly different from $250. If Earl gets convicted of it, then fine.

Of course, it doesn't sound like he conspired to break the law, does it?

Yes there's a distinction: DeLay didn't receive any of the $190K, and Earle received every penny of the $250. Doesn't sound like conspiracy; probably just a straight violation of the Election Code.

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It's one thing to say that in General, another thing to have specific evidence that that is exactly what happened; that the threat of 'regulations' was used to extract money from companies and fund the Republican party. This is exactly what Abramoff is under investigation for, and DeLay is right next to him...

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Note that DeLay has no ability to defend himself, rather, he employs the typical Republican tactic of attacking those who attack him...

It's a weak defense, and not one that is gonna work this time....

Cycloptichorn

He will defend himself at his trial. What do you mean he has no ability to defend himself? He's got an overzealous prosecutor aiming for him, so he's turning the tables on the guy and showing the skeletons in his closet. It's quite rich, if true.

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<yawn> again. The over-zealous-prosecutor angle just won't play here in Austin.

Did you see the bit I posted about folks being concerned that Earl is too careful in his prosecutions?

Get real, Tico. Oh yeah. DeLay called, and he wants his line and sinker back.

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DrewDad wrote:

<yawn> again. The over-zealous-prosecutor angle just won't play here in Austin.

Did you see the bit I posted about folks being concerned that Earl is too careful in his prosecutions?

Get real, Tico. Oh yeah. DeLay called, and he wants his line and sinker back.

Hey, he's your overzealous prosecutor. Congratulations.

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What evidence do you have that he is overzealous, instead of just dogged or persistent?

A good prosecutor can smell a crime, just has to figure out how to prosecute it...

Is it partisanship that causes you to label him as 'overzealous?' Be honest!

Cycloptichorn

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Oh, dear. A prosecutor that actually prosecutes crimes, instead of just putting poor people in jail.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Hey, he's your overzealous prosecutor. Congratulations.

The District Attorney represents the state and victims of crime in a certain county, isn't it?

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Yes. One of the reasons the Earle is prosecuting DeLay is that the DA in his own county owes his job to DeLay and his influence...

Cycloptichorn

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Not entirely. Austin is the capital of Texas. Some of the alleged money laundering occured in Travis County.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

What evidence do you have that he is overzealous, instead of just dogged or persistent?

A good prosecutor can smell a crime, just has to figure out how to prosecute it...

Is it partisanship that causes you to label him as 'overzealous?' Be honest!

Cycloptichorn

I've stated it previously, and in a number of posts .... Earle's entire approach to this case is overzealous. His discussing the case at a Dallas Democratic fundraiser, characterizing DeLay as a "bully," and his performance in "The Big Buy," the film made by the crew he allowed extraordinary access to the proceedings, are illustrative. His taking potshots at DeLay, the target of his grand jury investigation, at a partisan Democratic gathering is beyond the pale. When he did so he damaged the credibility of his own investigation, and that provides a very good reason to question his impartiality and judgment with regard to the DeLay matter.

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DrewDad wrote:

Oh, dear. A prosecutor that actually prosecutes crimes, instead of just putting poor people in jail.

We will have to see if there is in fact a crime involving DeLay, or whether Earle was just desperate to try and find one.

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He wasn't telling anyone anything they didn't know already. And you know it!

His actions, whether they be appropriate or not, have no bearing on DeLay's guilt or innocence.

Cycloptichorn

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Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Right, right. Mmm hmm.

Why are you defending this scumbag? I understand party loyalty and all, but DeLay is just dragging you fellows down....

Cycloptichorn

If he's guilty of a crime, he'll go down. But I believe the process should be fair. If this "scheme" is illegal, than everyone who utilizes it should be prosecuted as zealously and vigorously as Tom DeLay, including Democrats in Texas. I don't believe that's happening because Earle has his sights set on DeLay, whether DeLay committed a crime or not. Earle was obviously desperate for an indictment.

Why do you hate Tom DeLay?

And why aren't you insisting on the same treatment for the leftists in your state?

OK.. present your evidence of Dems doing the same thing before you complain that everyone needs to be prosecuted. If Dem did it then tell us about it. The FEC requires filings and should be easy enough to point to contributions in kind.

Otherwise it sounds like arguing that we can't charge a murderer until everyone else is charged with murder.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

He wasn't telling anyone anything they didn't know already. And you know it!

His actions, whether they be appropriate or not, have no bearing on DeLay's guilt or innocence.

Cycloptichorn

I didn't say his actions did have such a bearing, but the certainly do call into question Earle's impartiality and judgment in this case, which is the issue I was addressing.

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Cyclo's right, Tico. Ad hominem attacks on Earl have nothing to do with whether or not DeLay actually broke the law.

He is our prosecutor. He's been in office for what, 27-odd years? In Texas? As a democrat? Austin tends to be more liberal than the rest of Texas, but that's still saying something.

Somehow, I don't think he'd keep being re-elected if he really sucked. In fact, he's done a marvelous job of prosecuting corruption, and has done a fantastic job of not politicizing his job.

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