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Dept of Homeboy Security - Illegal Immigration UP!!!

 
 
woiyo
 
Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:18 am
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/27/D8CSLBDG0.html

"The pace of illegal immigration to the United States has increased despite tighter security measures and it generally parallels the pace of economic growth and the availability of jobs, a report said Tuesday. "


"_Since 2001, the number of legal permanent residents entering the United States has declined from 578,000 to 455,000, while the number of illegal immigrants has increased from 549,000 to 562,000. Legal, temporary residents account for the remainder of people entering the country"

What else is there to say??
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:20 am
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=121837&n_date=20050927&cat=World

And while they are herre, they do not even bother to learn OUR language!!!!!

"In ethnically diverse Los Angeles, many immigrants find that learning Korean, Spanish or Mandarin is more important than English.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:26 am
Bush's buddies will never give up their cheap labor even if it means selling your country out from under you. All you are is a firewall for him, cannon fodder. You just can't understand why he would let immigration go on unchecked like he is can you? I can. Greed.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:27 am
What does Bush care if there are more poor people around? Just more serfs to provide labor for the Gentry...

It isn't as if he intends to provide them with any sort of services....

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:39 am
Amigo wrote:
Bush's buddies will never give up their cheap labor even if it means selling your country out from under you. All you are is a firewall for him, cannon fodder. You just can't understand why he would let immigration go on unchecked like he is can you? I can. Greed.


I think you're both missing it.

It is political pandering at it's best. Every adminiatration for years has ignored this subject, and now the so-called "conservative" leadership is failing the nation again.

No one at the State level has the balls to confront this issue eother. The Gov's of N.M and AZ talk a good game, but they have the authority to stop it if they want to.

Same at the federal level. We have had Senators like Kennedy who champion these illegals for years and have stalled every and any effort to change how we control our boarders.

The Homeboy Security Dept is just another useless federal dept soaking it to taxpayers.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:41 am
The Pew Center report, which tracked immigration year by year using Census Bureau surveys (and from which woiyo's source gave some results), said that the number of new immigrants grew very gradually in the early and mid-1990s, from slightly more than a million a year in 1992 to 1.2 million in 1997. But as the economy expanded in the late 1990s, the number of new immigrants increased dramatically, to 1.5 million in 1999 and 2000.

Since then, as the economy deflated, the number of new immigrants fell back to about 1.1 million in 2003, about the same level as in the mid-1990s. But the report said it appears that immigration rose again since then, especially from Mexico and Latin America.

Link to details about the report: Rise, Peak and Decline: Trends in U.S. Immigration 1992 - 2004
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:41 am
kEEP ON TRUCKIN
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 12:03 pm
IMO, the immigration debate/debacle parallels many governments' stances on child porn .
Everyone talks a hard game, but no one steps up to really take it on.
The cynic in me thinks that those who take advantage of said social ills most is least likely to want to make abrupt changes to them.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 01:11 pm
I might have finally agreed with something woiyo said, had he not used the word "homeboy."
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 01:24 pm
Sounds like woiyo is upset about "raisin' the roof" on immigration.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 02:27 pm
woiyo wrote:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=121837&n_date=20050927&cat=World

And while they are herre, they do not even bother to learn OUR language!!!!!

"In ethnically diverse Los Angeles, many immigrants find that learning Korean, Spanish or Mandarin is more important than English.
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it's more than a little disconcerting to walk into a store here and not be able to communicate. actually, it's more than disconcerting, it's a complete and total pain in the ass. especially when you are getting looks of "wtf are you doing in here. i get it everyday. and i don't like it.

it really sums up the overall hypocrisy of the multi-cultural rhetoric.

what is really meant is, "when i come to your country, you have to adopt my ways and i will not only not learn yours, you must abandon them as well".

it's frackin' disrespectful.

i don't mind speaking some spanish, i actually enjoy it. and spanish, unlike korean, armenian and others, actually has a historic place in the history of the region.

but the pragmatic reason for immigrants to learn english is that it's a common denominator between different immigrant groups and native born americans.

last i heard, there is something like 120 dialects spoken in l.a.

it's simple logic that learning english is the right way to go.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 02:29 pm
If you don't like the store, then take your pesos and yuan somewhere else.

It's a fact of life that Spanish is going to become a necessary survival tool here in Texas.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 02:36 pm
DrewDad wrote:
If you don't like the store, then take your pesos and yuan somewhere else.

It's a fact of life that Spanish is going to become a necessary survival tool here in Texas.


i do as much as possible. it ain't easy when the whole city is divided into "little something" or "somethingtown".

why should i have to move just so i can communicate with someone that speaks english ? that's completely out to lunch.

like i said, i don't mind speaking some spanish. but i'll be damned if i'm gonna learn a couple of dozen languages to survive in my own country.

if ya lived here, and as long as i have, you'd most likely feel the same way.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 02:50 pm
I don´t think he was suggesting you move. I think he was suggesting you take your business to stores that cater to people who only speak one language. I am sure there are stores like that where you live.

Where I live there is an extraordinary amount of diversity. Here we love our immigrants.

There is a little portuguese bakery I know about about 10 minutes from my house. Many times the workers there don´t speak any English or Spanish (my two languages), but with goodwill you can get some of the best sweet bread you have ever tasted.

I have never found the language to be a problem. It just takes a little patience and human decency.

Of course, if you come here, you can always limit your shopping to the Star Market (the big corporate supermarket) where I believe speaking English is a condition of employment.

But that´s the great thing about living in a free country. You can choose whether you want a broad experience or a narrow one.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:02 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I have never found the language to be a problem. It just takes a little patience and human decency...



that is a door that swings both ways. i'm more than happy to meet a person half way. the other half is their responsibility.

ebrown_p wrote:
...But that´s the great thing about living in a free country. You can choose whether you want a broad experience or a narrow one.


and yet you make excuses for those that steadfastly refuse to learn english. if they, as you say, wish to have a broad experience, they should learn the language of their host or adopted country.

if they want a narrow experience, why are they even here?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:10 pm
I have found that most business here treat their customers, both English speaking and other, with respect. They do go more than half-way.

If a business is rude to their customers, they will lose business. I don´t see how language has anything to do with it.

Would you prefer that business were rude to you in English? Would this change your reaction?

I also have found that most immigrants are working very hard to learn English. Maybe you don´t know how much work it is to master a new language.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:32 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I have found that most business here treat their customers, both English speaking and other, with respect. They do go more than half-way.

If a business is rude to their customers, they will lose business. I don´t see how language has anything to do with it.

Would you prefer that business were rude to you in English? Would this change your reaction?

I also have found that most immigrants are working very hard to learn English. Maybe you don´t know how much work it is to master a new language.


1) don't know anything about beantown. i'm talking about l.a. that's a completely different reality. you need to understand that.

you also need to understand that there are a lot of businesses here that don't give a **** if another american ever comes in their store. language, or lack of it is used to dissuade us from returning.

2) no. i don't like rude service in any language and it's silly to throw that out.

3) once again, don't know about where you live. but seeing as how my wife is part of the esl staff at the local community college, and that esl enrollment has been falling the last couple of years, despite the continuous influx of immigrants....

you figure it out...


4) yeah, learning a new language is hard. as hard a you make it, that is.

i've never taken a spanish class in my life, yet i can hold rudimentary conversations when i want to. not great, but enough to work things out with coworkers and joke around a little with my mexican pals. (yeah. i have a few. my best man at our wedding is mexicano.

spanish, like drew said, has become a big part of life in so.cal.

but, with the gazillion channels of english language television, dvds and radio, those who want to, can learn passible english fairly quickly. but there's no excuse for a person to have lived here for as long as 20 years and speak no english.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:39 pm
Nobody's making excuses. Everyone has a choice which is what being a free country is all about.

They can choose whether or not to learn English.

You can choose whether or not to shop at a particular store, or to talk to the manager, or to learn to speak enough Korean to get your point across.

You can choose to move; you can choose to stay.




If you want to complain about customer disservice, there's already a thread for that....
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 03:44 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Nobody's making excuses. Everyone has a choice which is what being a free country is all about.

They can choose whether or not to learn English.

You can choose whether or not to shop at a particular store, or to talk to the manager, or to learn to speak enough Korean to get your point across.

You can choose to move; you can choose to stay.




If you want to complain about customer disservice, there's already a thread for that....


it's about a lot more than that, and you know it.

but since you guys don't live in l.a., there's not much point in me continuing to try to explain it to you.

i'm not angry with you, just burned out on the subject.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 04:01 pm
Why do you hate America? Wink
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