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"I COULD care less" or "I COULDN'T care less" Which is it?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 3 Jan, 2010 12:19 am
@alabhaois,
alabhaois wrote:

One of my pet peeves, since lots of people say, "I COULD care less," which, of course,
indicates the opposite of what they think they're saying.

It's "I COULDN'T care less." Meaning, "I couldn't care any less than I do-- which is zilch."
That 's absolutely right, Alabhaois.
Clearly, u have a perfect understanding of the applicable logic.





David
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JLNobody
 
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Fri 15 Jan, 2010 10:37 pm
@kickycan,
I agree Kicky. Those who say "I could care less" are not listening to themselves; they are saying the opposite of what they mean
JTT
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:13 am
@JLNobody,
Quote:
Those who say "I could care less" are not listening to themselves; they are saying the opposite of what they mean


That's simply false, JL.

Quote:


Like could care less, give a damn is a Negative Polarity Item, that is, a phrase that is ordinarily used only within the scope of semantic negation of some kind (not, never, only, rarely, few, etc.). Hence the perceived strangeness of They could give a damn, which has no overt negative, but means the same thing as the same phrase with a negative. I.e, the business manager was saying that his members couldn't give a damn.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/giveadamn.html




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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 01:18 am
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:
I agree Kicky. Those who say "I could care less" are not listening to themselves;
they are saying the opposite of what they mean
Yes; when that happens (that thay contradict what thay intend to say)
that tells me that this is someone to whom careful examination
of logic is alien. This is NOT a meticulously careful person.
I then wonder how many OTHER mistakes of logic have escaped his attention.
This error shows relatively poorer organizational ability
than people who express themselves correctly.


Before I retired from the practice of law, I hired both professional staff
and support staff (prep. men, secretaries n clerks, etc.) for my firm.
If I had set aside funding for 3 jobs, my newspaper advertizing of those jobs
coud easily evoke hundreds of applicants, some of whom were very attractive;
so it was a task of choosing the best of the best of the best applicants.
When an applicant committed errors of reasoning in front of me
or on his resume, this facititated ranking him lower
on the list of choices, behind more logically precise applicants.
This error of reasoning leads me to suspect that if I hire him or her
(in preference to other more logically perfect candidates)
that I will be buying a relatively higher proportion of mistakes
than if I choose someone who shows better reasoning ability.

In my personal experience both in hiring personnel
and in deciding to whom to grant scholarships from pools of applicants:
at decision-making time, it was too ofen a job of separating
the perfect from the extra super-perfect.

If I were going to engage the services of a surgeon,
I 'd like to hire a candidate who shows admirable attention to detail.
That instills better confidence in him.
When a person who applies for a job says: "I could care less"
when he means the opposite, that is almost as if he were wearing
a sign that said: "CAUTION! CAUTION! I AM A CARELESS PERSON."





David
Joe Nation
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 02:12 am
Or he could be in need of the new sarcasm mark.

~!~Right~!~?
Joe(up for some water in the middle of the night and here you are.)Nation
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 03:16 am

Here I r.
Time is usually fungible to me,
unless I am travelling.





David
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JTT
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:45 pm
@JLNobody,
Quote:
JLNobdy wrote:
Those who say "I could care less" are not listening to themselves; they are saying the opposite of what they mean.


Is the opposite of,

Could I call you? ,

Couldn't I call you? ?

Is the opposite of,

I couldn't give a (flying) ****/****/a rat's ass/a damn ,

I could give a (flying) ****/****/a rat's ass/a damn ?














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JTT
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 12:56 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
What a brilliant discussion on the language issues, OmSig. And you say you were a lawyer, now that I can believe; for many lawyers, certainly for you, facts are something to be abused.

And a mensa, ... Right [underlined negated by what's normally an affirmation]

There was much focused argument for your position but what really convinced me was, "some of whom were very attractive".

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JTT
 
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Sat 16 Jan, 2010 01:58 pm
FROM:

http://able2know.org/topic/140156-6#post-3877525

@Cycloptichorn,

Quote:
Okie wrote:
And frankly I could care less if somebody else is rich, why are you so envious, cyclops?


Quote:
Cy replied:
For the last time, I'm not envious of you or anyone.



Okie cares that others are rich. He says that he's envious of them. And that's exactly how Cy interpreted it too.

++++++++++++++++++++++

This is what makes the arguments of prescriptivists so downright silly. They put forward positions that are a direct contravention of reality. One only has to look around, and not very far at that. The proof that these prescriptions are bogus is everywhere.


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Donna F
 
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Fri 9 Apr, 2010 01:40 pm
@kickycan,
"I couldn't care less." Or "As if I could care less." You are right.
That is also one of my pet peevs.
Donna F
 
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Fri 9 Apr, 2010 01:45 pm
@kickycan,
"I couldn't care less." Or "As if I could care less." You are so right and it bothers me as well.
Donna F
McTag
 
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Fri 9 Apr, 2010 02:23 pm
@Donna F,

Hi there, Donna. Welcome.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 9 Apr, 2010 02:37 pm
@Donna F,
Donna F wrote:
"I couldn't care less." Or "As if I could care less." You are right.
That is also one of my pet peevs.
WELCOME to the forum, Donna! I hope that u 'll enjoy it.





David
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Donna F
 
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Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:19 am
@kickycan,
"I couldn't care less." or "As if I could care less." I think people dropped the As if and by doing so changed the whole meaning of the saying. So think about what you mean to say. That is a pet peeve of mine as well
Francis
 
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Fri 16 Apr, 2010 11:21 am
@Donna F,
Is there some other nuggets like this in your mine?
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KrisBlueNZ
 
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Thu 5 Aug, 2010 02:11 pm
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
Quote:
I have a friend who always says "foul swoop" instead of fell.

Maybe he/she means "fowl swoop", and is trying to evoke an image of a chicken swooping majestically down from the sky ;-)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Aug, 2010 06:08 am
@Donna F,
Donna F wrote:
"I couldn't care less." or "As if I could care less."
I think people dropped the As if and by doing so changed the
whole meaning of the saying. So think about what you mean to say. That is a pet peeve of mine as well
Yeah; I like to see people being logical.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Fri 6 Aug, 2010 06:09 am
@KrisBlueNZ,
dlowan wrote:
Quote:
I have a friend who always says "foul swoop" instead of fell.
KrisBlueNZ wrote:
Maybe he/she means "fowl swoop", and is trying to evoke an image of a chicken swooping
majestically down from the sky ;-)
Yeah; that must be it. Welcome to the Forum, Kris !





David
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 31 Dec, 2010 08:45 am
@parados,
No, you go to hospital. This means you are hospitalised, if you go to the hospital you are going to a specific building. In the UK we are not dictated to by insurance companies over which hospital we have to go to, and if need arises we can be transferred to another more specialist hospital. It may grate with you but this is how we say it.
I really hate the word 'gotten.' It's not a word we use, 'got' is sufficient and correct. However, due to an excessive amount of American television our children our starting to use it.
Anyway both phrases to hospital/to the hospital got/gotten could be classed as dialectic variants, so are therefore acceptable.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sat 1 Jan, 2011 12:47 am
@izzythepush,
When I have gone to the hospital,
I have freely selected each hospital
to which I have gone.
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