Judge: School Pledge Is Unconstitutional

Feel free to work it how you wish, I just hope it doesn't go away for those of us in the MAJORITY who like it the way it is.

I would have no problem going back to the pledge without the UNDER GOD phrase as it was initially developed.

Yet, I can see that at some point, some non-US citizen whose child attends public school will take this to another level and attempt to have the Pledge eliminated altogether.

How can we force a non-US citizen child to recite a pledge to a Flag of a country they are not a citizen of.

There are already public schools that have removed the English language, so removing the pledge might not be far behind.

I would have no problem going back to the pledge without the UNDER GOD phrase as it was initially developed.

for real, dude. god doesn't seem to have taken any more, or less, interest in the united states with or without calling him down here every 5 minutes.

Yet, I can see that at some point, some non-US citizen whose child attends public school will take this to another level and attempt to have the Pledge eliminated altogether.

i wouldn't expect a non-citizen to voice loyalty to our country, really. also wouldn't agree that non-citizens are due the perks of american citizenship either.

How can we force a non-US citizen child to recite a pledge to a Flag of a country they are not a citizen of.

can't. and shouldn't want to.

There are already public schools that have removed the English language, so removing the pledge might not be far behind.

technically 2 different issues, but i agree with you on this. but then, i'm not real keen on non-english speaking schools.

we hear so much rhetoric about respecting other cultures that it seems more than a little hypocritical that the same voices want to insist that america is nothing more than a nation of immigrants. hence, no organic american culture.

what they don't say, is that every country began as a nation of immigrants.

but america is the only one that shouldn't enjoy it's unique cultural identity ? that's totally bogus.

so, when folks come to america and seem to stubbornly refuse to learn english, as is the case with a huge number of people in my town, i take it as a sign of disrespect. and in our case, they don't even want to share their native language with us.

guess communication isn't big with them unless it has a dollar sign attached...

the two groups where i've found this to be otherwise is with hispanics and persians. go figure. i frequently bring this up to my german friends when they get too tight lipped. hah!

what i do forsee, is a two language situation similar to canada, only instead of french, it will be mexican spanish.

i hope... 'cause if it's puerto ricano spanish, i'm totally hosed.

Why should those who don't believe in God win? Seriously. I have just as much right to say it with the "under God" part as you do to say it without. You want to talk about hypocrisy...why is it that when you want it out it's "constitutional" but when we want it in, we are religious fanatics?

Bella Dea wrote:

Why should those who don't believe in God win? Seriously. I have just as much right to say it with the "under God" part as you do to say it without. You want to talk about hypocrisy...why is it that when you want it out it's "constitutional" but when we want it in, we are religious fanatics?

because.....

Why should those who don't believe in God win? Seriously. I have just as much right to say it with the "under God" part as you do to say it without. You want to talk about hypocrisy...why is it that when you want it out it's "constitutional" but when we want it in, we are religious fanatics?

All said with the utmost of respect and caring for you and your beliefs, of course.

Frank Apisa wrote:

All said with the utmost of respect and caring for you and your beliefs, of course.

Sure... :wink:

My personal solution (shhhh don't tell anyone!!) is to take it out, because 1) it was originally without it (right?) and 2) I can add a thanks to God at the end should I be so inclined.

Ps- Not to hijack the thread but how ya feeling BPB?

Frank, while I really don't see what the big deal is in leaving it in, this is one issue you and I won't disagree much on. Take it out, leave it in, really, what does it matter.

As Bella said, it was not there when the pledge was first written and we got along just fine without it being there for a number of years. Something tells me God won't care much one way on the other. After all, most of this country hasn't been practicing the "under God" part for many years.

(And I too like Bella's idea. Sounds like we have agreement)

Bella Dea wrote:

Ps- Not to hijack the thread but how ya feeling BPB?

better thanks, much better. Not 100% but now 100% dosen't seem unobtainable or too much farther away.

Bella Dea wrote:

Ps- Not to hijack the thread but how ya feeling BPB?

better thanks, much better. Not 100% but now 100% dosen't seem unobtainable or too much farther away.