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Should the Brits ditch Holocaust Day

 
 
benacre
 
Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:18 am
Tony Blair the British PM has been advised to scrap Holocaust Day as it is offensive to the Muslims. The advisors wish to change it to genocide day to cover all religions. Are they right or wrong?. Should Muslims tell the Brits what to do?

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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:38 am
Re: Should the Brits ditch Holocaust Day
benacre wrote:
Tony Blair the British PM has been advised to scrap Holocaust Day as it is offensive to the Muslims. The advisors wish to change it to genocide day to cover all religions. Are they right or wrong?. Should Muslims tell the Brits what to do?

Ben.


screw 'em. there's absolutely no connection between the holocaust and muslims. I don't get it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:44 am
What's it got to do with muslims? I think this story is wrong. It's certainly not offensive to muslims.
And it's not all about jews either, the holocaust remembrance.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:44 am
The Holocaust is especially egregious among the various genocides throughout history because the victims were middle-class Europeans.

That is why the Rwandan Genocide, the Serbian Genocide, The Trail of Tears in the US (for example) aren't at the same level.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 08:57 am
I never knew we had a holocaust day.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 09:05 am
How about "Every Son Of God Who Ever Rose From The Dead Day" F**k that Easter ****.

Where does it end?

I have a couple of suggestions for world wide inclusive holidays.

"Transportation That Doesn't Bankrupt The Citizens Of The World Day"

"Good Healthcare For Everyone On the Planet Day"

"Clean Food And Water For Everyone On The Planet Day"

" Who Gives A **** Who's God Can Kick Who's God's Ass Day?"
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 09:08 am
Hey BVT, like your signature line. I couldn't remember the guy's name. Respect.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 09:10 am
McTag wrote:
Hey BVT, like your signature line. I couldn't remember the guy's name. Respect.


It was either that or "Katrina is bushs' Monica Lewinsky except of course thousands of people weren't trapped in Monicas vagina."
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benacre
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 09:48 am
BTW we Brits have not forgotten it is the anniversary of 9/11 Our thoughts are with our USA friends today.

Ben.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 10:08 am
Thank you, Ben.

We had a conversation in our household when Bear came across this info re: Brittain / Holocaust Day.

Even the teens understood how ridiculous it is for Muslims to demand banning this day because it offends Muslims. What do they have to be offended by in a day that commemorates a major Jewish loss of life.

It's an ancient battle between the two religions. If they want a Genocide day, let them create it on a different day. Why knock the importance of the Holocaust other than to continue the fighting between these two half brothers?
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 10:11 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
How about "Every Son Of God Who Ever Rose From The Dead Day" F**k that Easter ****.

Where does it end?

I have a couple of suggestions for world wide inclusive holidays.

"Transportation That Doesn't Bankrupt The Citizens Of The World Day"

"Good Healthcare For Everyone On the Planet Day"

"Clean Food And Water For Everyone On The Planet Day"

" Who Gives A **** Who's God Can Kick Who's God's Ass Day?"




I agree Exclamation
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 10:15 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
I never knew we had a holocaust day.


Holocaust Day was established by Blair in 2001 after a sustained campaign by Jewish leaders to create a lasting memorial to the 6m victims of Hitler. It is marked each year on January 27.

Advisers appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.

source: The Sunday Times, September 11, 2005
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 10:25 am
Thanks Walter. I was actually vaguely aware there was some sort of commemoration every January.
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benacre
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 10:51 am
Jan 27th is Holocaust Day in the UK.

If this is changed due to the Muslims then we may have a lot more race hate crime.
As if there is not enough in the UK already.
Ben.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2005 06:08 pm
Ahh. So it's really about politics and pacifying muslim terrorists? As in, if we give them a genocide day and act like we care about genocide all over the world, even when it's not Jewish people dying, maybe they won't bomb us anymore?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 03:07 am
I just heard some called Sir Iqbal Siquarne leader of the Muslim Council of Britain trying to explain why they want Holocaust day replaced. It seems remembering Jewish dead is racist as it does not remember Muslim dead...or something like that.

(Sir Iqbal before he became Sir and respectable was prominent in calling for the assassination of Salman Rushdie).
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 05:57 am
squinney wrote:
Ahh. So it's really about politics and pacifying muslim terrorists? As in, if we give them a genocide day and act like we care about genocide all over the world, even when it's not Jewish people dying, maybe they won't bomb us anymore?


Squinney, what's all that about? We should not be so ready to lump the words "muslim" and "terrorist" together.

I heard this piece discussed on our radio this morning.
They want to widen out the Holocaust remembrance to mark events like Bosnia/Kosovo (massacre done by Christians), Cambodia (marxists) and Ruanda (racists).

They think the Holocaust Day is too Jewish. Whether you agree or not, I don't think this point of view is giving succour to "muslim terrorists".
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:40 am
McT

I agree that it is too easy to say muslim and terrorist in the same breath. But its understandable. The terrorist threat is inspired by radical Islam. Of the "hundreds" of people in this country that Charles Clarke has just said are under very close observation, I can guarantee that the one thing they have in common will be their religious belief and that it wont be Anglicanism. So whilst it is absurd to say that Muslims are terrorists, its a fact that terrorists are Muslims.

The people responsible for the 7/7 attacks were British born and educated. By all accounts they liked football cricket and fish and chips. They were not Iraqi soldiers infiltrated into this country to wreak havoc in revenge for the deposing of Saddam. They were not waging war against us because the British Army had invaded Leeds.

Their inspiration for their despicable acts was purely religious. They believed our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq were attacks against Islam. And they believed a martyrs' death would secure them heavenly delights denied them in this world.

I dont blame Muslims for terrorism, I actually feel sorry for muslims, especially muslim women. But I do think there is something wrong with Islam that it can be used as a catalyst for horrendous violence.
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ConstitutionalGirl
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 02:58 pm
Re: Should the Brits ditch Holocaust Day
benacre wrote:
Tony Blair the British PM has been advised to scrap Holocaust Day as it is offensive to the Muslims. The advisors wish to change it to genocide day to cover all religions. Are they right or wrong?. Should Muslims tell the Brits what to do?

Ben.
Aha, so, Prince Harry did that on pupose. So, not just the US are against Jew's but now the UK is against Jew's too.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 03:58 pm
$.02

Having Holocaust Day seems very weird.

Calling off for Muslims is even more weird.

And, he did this in 2001?

Bad move. It's throwing pomp at anti-Semitism. Worthless.
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