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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2025 10:29 pm
Question: Do you have any hints for making a dog come when it is called? Specifically, my Belgian Shepherd cannot be coaxed to come indoors when it is late. I can't have him out there barking all night. Sure I can lure him with a treat. His gut is a bottomless pit. But I don't want to do that. I can't pay a trainer.

He is 2 1/2, was a stray when taken to the shelter. I have reason to believe the previous owner kept him tied in the yard.
 
Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 05:14 am
@edgarblythe,
Let’s get this out of the way first. An old dog can be taught new tricks. Firstly, is he used to being on a leash? Knowing this can help immensely.

I’ll continue in a few once I know that part.

Granted, using treats can speed things up but I think there are far better ways. I’ll continue once I give myself breaking. Ivehaf trainers and I’ve also had success on my own means with several dogs.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 06:58 am
He seems to love and trust me for the most, but in these situations he seems not to fully trust people. I haven't had him on a leash since early on, but he accepted it then. What bothers me about putting something around his neck is he often has a squeak that makes me think one of two things 1. He was injured by a choke chain 2. he was kept tied in the yard and the struggle with a rope injured him. I plan to get the kind of thing he wears on his body eventually, sparing his neck.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 08:52 am
@edgarblythe,

on a nice day, we would bribe our Jake with a "beggin' strip" to come inside.

worked like a charm...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 09:26 am
@Region Philbis,
Food bribes are all he responds to when he's being stubborn. I praise and love him, never scold or punish. If he's going wrong I try to redirect him.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 11:25 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

Let’s get this out of the way first. An old dog can be taught new tricks. Firstly, is he used to being on a leash? Knowing this can help immensely.

Granted, using treats can speed things up but I think there are far better ways. I’ll continue once I give myself breaking. I’ve had good trainers and I’ve also had successes utilizing my own methods with several dogs.

<I'm BACK>

If you can avoid overuse of treats and subsisting lots of good dog and affection as a reward, you’d be better off as incentive that works well. If you must use small treats, youlll get successful but it can lead to ‘no pay, no play’ standoffs.

I set up obedience sessions.
1. Using the leash and comfy neck harness arrangement, start daily sessions with commands that includes, sit, down (all of the way) stay, heal (short walk around the room or outside) that she/he does NOT get ahead of you.
Oh yeah, when you’re taking the dog outside, you go out first, then the dog follows you. Being the Alpha means you lead this pack.that being said said, as part of this obedience sessions, you get the dog to come. Do it inside first as theirs less distractions. Don’t repeatedly give the commands, but try one or two times followed by encouraging language and tones. Bending and tapping your leg to show them where the dog is to’come’. One word command is best…not several such here …just ‘come’. Add this command to the list of 4 or 5. Repeat this one or times per day for awhile. If you must use treats, make them healthy treats and ‘high value’ like small chicken bits.

If you practice these daily walk around sessions, the dog will get the idea that is the expected behavior. Always keep your voice calm and encouraging. This method does work.

If the dog is hearing noise or a need to protect the property, there could be some interference or distraction.THIS IS why Using the leash, is a big help.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 11:29 am
@edgarblythe,
A vet checkup might be in order to determine his neck or throat has had some physical issues.

He will learn to trust you more as these sessions are repeated. Using encouragement and affection as a reward works wonders.

However, using no strain harness and lead is essential. Otherwise, you’re making the task of his following you quite hard. There are several relatively inexpensive harnesses that take the pressure off the front of the neck. I’ve used this on my last 3 dogs and it’s worked.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 11:32 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Food bribes are all he responds to when he's being stubborn. I praise and love him, never scold or punish. If he's going wrong I try to redirect him.

Excellent. Keep it consistent and he’ll come around.

I just thought of something else. This dog thinks his job is to be outside and / or protect the territory. The dog thinks that outside and guarding is part of his responsibility. It’ll take awhile to understand that inside and his own spot with a doggie bed is where the relaxation and safe spot is. I have my dog sleep in his properly size cage. However, a nice quiet spot with a doggie bed is fine too.

Furthermore, I never punish the dog by sending him to his bed or cage.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Apr, 2025 03:50 pm
@Ragman,
Sound advice, rags. Let me think on all of this for a time. I can be pretty slow reacting.
Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 28 Apr, 2025 05:43 am
@edgarblythe,
No problem. It is something with which I’ve first-hand experience. I got the brunt of it from trainers who gave me some success. Mind you, my dog still has obedience….ummm…deficits in some areas.Of course, in my case, I’ve had her since she was a small puppy from a breeder so we had a head start.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2025 10:31 pm
@edgarblythe,
Sounds like you have the right attitude (praise only the good) but don't be ashamed of the treat 'bribes' they will cement a reaction that require treats eventually.

Out of curiosity what type of Belgian Shepherd? Malinois? I have always (well, since about 2014) wanted a Groenendael - after seeing a pair in Riquewihr. They were astoundingly 'present' (apart from being stunning looking dogs). Everything I've read about their personalities makes them even more appealing. A couple of years riding home from work I was behind a lady with a puppy she was impressed when I asked her if it was a Groenendael (it was). I've seen him a couple of times since (maybe 3 months ago as an adult - he's still beautiful).
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 9 May, 2025 11:35 pm
@hingehead,
He looks much like this without the training.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2025 04:31 am
@edgarblythe,
Gorgeous dog!
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2025 10:45 am
This one's kinda scary. I hope my dog never sees this video.
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2025 06:34 pm
@edgarblythe,
Fascinating! How the hell did they train that dog to walk the ropes blindfolded? What could motivate the dog to try it even once?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 10 May, 2025 06:51 pm
@Ragman,
I was blown away by this. My dog is kept in by a simple wire fence. I fastened scrap 2x6 boards around at the bottom to discourage digging. Ringo doesn't seem like he's ready to jump, but he is the most energetic dog I've had in 20 years and the videos worry me. If he ever gets in a habit of escaping to roam the neighborhood I won't be able to keep him.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 11 May, 2025 01:37 pm
This video looks very interesting. I intend to give it my full attention later on.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2025 02:27 pm
Last April I adopted (rehomed) a 3.5 year old Welsh Pembroke Corgi with kidney disease. He lived with another Corgi, but they didn't get along. He was also in a house with a baby (1.5yo) and a 6 yr old. His owner, M, told me he was depressed, always hanging out under a bed or in a closet. He growled and yipped. Unhappy doggy.

I've been taking him out on walks and to dog parks for the last year, sometimes up to 3 times a day. He used to run towards people; now he runs towards dogs. He has made several friends. He also gets along with our 3 cats - he's a happy little guy now. Clearly he was not socialized.

His vet (the same one since he was a pup) is overjoyed at how happy and relaxed he is, which is great that he's having a good life, but she tells me his disease is progressing rapidly and there's nothing I can do about it. His renal levels are really, really high. Scary high.

I've never been in this situation. My last three dogs lived to 17, 18, and 19. I don't think Bailey will make it to 8. I've downloaded recipes for his condition which is really all I can do.

Has anyone else been through this?
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 16 May, 2025 11:12 pm
@Mame,
'Been through it' as in yes have had to make a call on whether a pet's joy outweighs its pain. But a confirmed bad kidney diagnosis? No, but... right now our younger cat (Ella, 6 years old) has heightened liver counts - no scarring or damage in ultrasound so could just be reacting to someone she ate/bit. Anyway she's on two pills a day for 8 weeks for it (which means not leaving dry food out for either cat, and grabbing her every morning and shoving two sizable pills down her throat then making both cats wait an hour before giving them food).

Anyway - major kudos to you making your corgi happy.
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