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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
Implicator
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:07 pm
timberlandko wrote:
I submit you impose your own interpretation - I will say once again, the words either mean what they say or they do not.


You may continue to say this all you want - it will not change the fact that what you do when you read and evaluate a text is by definition known as interpretation.


timberlandko wrote:
Overlaying any assumption or qualification on what is written is interpretation, objectively, dispassionately reading those words, assigning to them no external reference or extracontexual meaning certainly may be done; one merely leaves one's preferences, preconceptions, and prejudices at the flyleaf and proceeds to read. I submit it is not an unwarranted assumption that such may be done, but rather that such precisely is the point, purpose, and method of critical, objective, dispassionate reading.


Your assertions once again stand at odds with the definition of the terms involved ("objective" and "subjective" in this case).

I
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:32 pm
Magginkat and Cicerone Imposter,

With all due respect http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/laughing1.gif

Only the atheist........? Now, who sounds superior Question
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:39 pm
Magginkat- Good to see you, and Happy New Year!

That article, "An Atheist Manifesto" is marvelous.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:42 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Magginkat and Cicerone Imposter,

With all due respect http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/laughing1.gif

Only the atheist........? Now, who sounds superior Question


Living in the real world can be tough sometimes. Some of us need to turn to whatever get's us through it. Mama Dear, you just keep praying and preaching if it helps! Good luck!

Anon
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:46 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Magginkat and Cicerone Imposter,

With all due respect http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/laughing1.gif

Only the atheist........? Now, who sounds superior Question



We are superior!
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Implicator
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 03:58 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
I need demonstrate nothing; faith is emotional, not rational, therefore it is irrational. That it be comforting to some, and passionately defended and promoted, yet be insucceptable to dispassionate, objective, logical, external validation serves well to illustrate that point.


The definition I provided neither states that faith is emotional, nor that it is irrational, therefore such comments are nothing more than a narrative as to your personal and subjective impression of faith. Please provide an alternate definition (with your source), or show how the existing definitions lead to the conclusions you assert.


No alternate definition or source required: faith cannot be demonstrated to be either rational or logical.


I have no need to demonstrate it as rational or logical. You claimed it was irrational, and have not demonstrated it to be so. It is a fairly open and closed case at this point.


timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
That it be comforting to some, and passionately defended and promoted, yet be insucceptable to dispassionate, objective, logical, external validation serves well to illustrate that point.


Let's break down the list and see what is illustrated by each item you have listed.

1) comforting, passionately defended and promoted

You confuse the cart and the horse. These may be actions that arise from faith, but they do not logically entail that faith itself is either emotional or irrational. For example, faith may lead to feelings of comfort, but that does not mean that faith itself is emotional. Many find comfort in the scientific method, but that does not necessitate that science itself is emotional.


I confuse nothing; faith is purely emotional. Demonstrate that it be not so.


Don't be silly, I have no such burden.


timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
2) Insucceptable to dispassionate, objective, logical, external validation


Faith (by definition) is not susceptible to any type of validation, at least not in the sense of a linear proof. That is obvious based on the definition of what faith it.


There ya go - in your own words. Thank you.


You'll need to be a bit more specific. You seem to think I have demonstrated your point, but since there is nothing in what I said that entails emotion or lack of logic, you will need to try to draw the connection you seem to be seeing.


timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
That some may be passionate about their faith does not necessitate that faith itself is passionate (some may have faith without passion.)


Irrelevant.


Highly relevant - it refutes your implication that emotion as a by product indicates emotion as a necessary integral.


timberlandko wrote:
Implicator wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
3) Serves well to illustrate that point


Not at all ... your conclusion does not follow.


I submit your conclusion is in error, and as cited above, refuted by your own word. Faith is emotional, not logical and rational, no matter how emotionally defended.


See my reply above re: drawing the connection.

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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:03 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Magginkat- Good to see you, and Happy New Year!

That article, "An Atheist Manifesto" is marvelous.


Thanks Phoenix and a Happy New Year to you too.

I agree with you, "An Athiest Manifesto" IS marvelous! My buddy Sam seems to always turn up with an article just when I need one to help educate the murdering throngs who call themselves Christians. This response is a gem.... I can't recall if it was from an earlier post here or if it was someone responding to Sam's article.

Communism was Jesus's biggest message--love your neighbor as yourself. And he didn't mean by giving a few dollars to charity or volunteering at soup kitchens, either. Did you see Jesus only giving a small portion of his large comfortable income to the poor? No. He was poor, and gave all that he had to others, and then some. If you're not doing the same...you're just a religious idiot with no real understanding of the only core of truth behind a couple thousand years of politics, persecution, and misery. You can thump your Bible all you want, but it doesn't make you a Christian or a good person. It just makes you an idiot who believes whatever makes him feel good, and can't even read a well-thought-out argument like this one without running to the Bible like a safety blanket, sucking his thumb and wanting Mommy (or in your case, "God") to make it all better.

Sounded like he was describing our fraudulent pRes in that last sentence doesn't it?

Speaking of the pRes..... that man should be enough to convince any breathing person that there is no god. If there was one and if he really expected all people to live up to a fraction of that science fiction in the Bible, he would have fried king george with a multi-pronged bolt of lightning at least 5 yrs ago!!

HEY Cicerone.... Happy New Year to you too.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:05 pm
Maggi good to see you. Happy New Year. Big discussion here.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:07 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Looks identical to me, but I'm an atheist, and definitions by the religious escapes me most times whether it's from the dictionary or the bible.


This was a definition from the dictionary, not the religious.

I
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:10 pm
Setanta wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
It can't be a mistake because you take great pains to point out typos and grammatical errors of others. Therefore, you would never do that yourself.


Typical lack of genuine intrepidity . . . i have never denied i make such errors, and it doesn't bother me that you point them out. I point out others errors in the hope that it will sting, and it usually does--it really gets to you, i notice. Doesn't bother me in the least.

I note that you describe yourself as a minion . . . a minion of whom or what . . . could it be . . . SATAN ? ! ? ! ?


You point out errors in the hope that it will sting?
Man, you are one UNHAPPY person.
I've noticed that from day one and also cannot help but notice how you love to fight. You have to admit to that, it's so blatantly obvious in your posts. And why is it you never answer any of my questions addressed to you???

Wanda
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:16 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
You point out errors in the hope that it will sting?
Man, you are one UNHAPPY person.

Wanda


I don't thinks he's unhappy at all! Combative, yep! Nasty,at times. But most of all, I think he just gets perturbed at "stinkin' thinkin'". I've had it out with him, and I agree with him.

Anon
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:18 pm
Wicked Wanda: She was fun in the Penthouse Magazine. I remember her well.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:19 pm
Setanta wrote:
Why should anyone drop it . . . you have claimed that your imaginary friend superstition is not a superstition, but an act of faith, or a series of acts of faith, as though that were something different. You have been asked to demonstrate that your faith is different than superstition. You have failed to do so.

Therefore, you are peddling superstition.


Lack of demonstration does not equate to demonstration of lack. Your conclusion that Momma is peddling superstition is therefore unwarranted.

I
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:20 pm
talk72000 wrote:
Wicked Wanda: She was fun in the Penthouse Magazine. I remember her well.


Was she the one with the huge ...

Anon
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:22 pm
Could be. KISS' Pete(?) Simmons is the same
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:33 pm
Magginkat Wrote:

Quote:
We are superior!


The reason for my laughter, Magginkat was at how often it seems Christians that post on A2K are accused of expressing or exhibiting a superior attitude. I have been accused many times of using too wide a brush, recently using the term atheist.

When you came out with that article that is now be touted as marvelous by some on this thread, well, I had to laugh. Because the article obviously gets across the point that "only atheists" are the enlightened ones of the world and anyone holding a belief in God is obviously a nutcase.

It does bring one question to mind though, I wonder if Mr. Setanta would not embrace the label of atheist? :wink:

As far as the narcissism and self-centered deceit comment, now, that is funny! Someone puts out an article claiming only atheists have the truth and they call someone else narcissistic and self-centered deceit? Rolling Eyes

No one is asking you to accept our faith Magginkat. This is just a forum where opinions, etc., are discussed and exchanged. If you don't like Christianity don't bother putting yourself in the middle of it in these threads.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:37 pm
talk72000 wrote:
Maggi good to see you. Happy New Year. Big discussion here.


Happy New Year Talk.....

Can you believe it? I wander in here to check things out for the New Year and immediately walk into religious discussions! I live in the heart of the Bible thumping Bible belt and that places me in the middle of the religious insanity that seems to be spewing from the very pores of the rabid right. It is enough to gag a maggot at times.

I doubt that I will stick around very long in this one since I have very little patience these days with those who choose to live in a world of make believe.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:39 pm
Magginkat,

Well, I guess you weren't kidding when you said "We are superior", were you?

Just because you believe differently than I believe or anyone else believes that does not mean we live in a world of make believe.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:44 pm
I like to tweak them with bobble quotes that are inconsistent with their views. I realized long ago it was useless using philosophical terms to argue with them. You gotto speak their lingo and I do know a bit about the bobble as I actually read it from Genesis to Revelation. I just do it for laughs.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 04:45 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Magginkat Wrote:

Quote:
We are superior!


The reason for my laughter, Magginkat was at how often it seems Christians that post on A2K are accused of expressing or exhibiting a superior attitude.

No one is asking you to accept our faith Magginkat. This is just a forum where opinions, etc., are discussed and exchanged. If you don't like Christianity don't bother putting yourself in the middle of it in these threads.


Gosh, what a warm Christian welcome Momma. Now why on earth would I suddenly get the feeling that you are no angel?!

Strange.... I must have missed something. I didn't see anything at the start of this thread that required one to "like Christianity", yet here you are calling yourself an angel and demanding that I "like Christianity" in order to participate.

Now, tell me Momma..... doesn't that sound a whole lot superior even to you?

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