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Rehnquist has passed away

 
 
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:32 am
Well this was certainly bitter-sweet news for me. Although it was known Billy would one day die, I had sort of figured it would be a few more months or even a couple of years given his tenacious nature. My first prayers this morning were for his family and loved ones to get through this sad time.

On a brighter note this means another nimble minded appointee from President Bush.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:44 am
Sturgis wrote:
On a brighter note this means another nimble minded appointee from President Bush.


Still tenaciously clinging to the, shall we say, less than nimble minded side I see. The Supreme Court isn't where they're needed, Sturgis. There's an absolute dearth of them over at the big house.

At a time when real adult thought is needed, don't you think it borders on vacuous to keep waving your pom poms and screaming your high school cheers.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 04:04 am
JTT wrote:

At a time when real adult thought is needed, don't you think it borders on vacuous to keep waving your pom poms and screaming your high school cheers.

No I can't say that I do. For one thing I strongly believe in the future and if it means doing a little bit of cheering for what I believe in then I will do it.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 04:41 am
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 05:07 am
Sturgis wrote:
JTT wrote:

At a time when real adult thought is needed, don't you think it borders on vacuous to keep waving your pom poms and screaming your high school cheers.

No I can't say that I do. For one thing I strongly believe in the future and if it means doing a little bit of cheering for what I believe in then I will do it.


Is this what you believe in?

Quote:

Mystery Unfolds Over Hunt for WMD in Iraq
By CHARLES J. HANLEY AP Special Correspondent

(AP) - Beneath the giant dome of a Baghdad palace, facing his team of scientists and engineers, George Tenet sounded more like a football coach than a spymaster, a coach who didn't know the game was over.

"Are we 85 percent done?" the CIA boss demanded. The arms hunters knew what he wanted to hear. "No!" they shouted back. "Let me hear it again!" They shouted again.

The weapons are out there, Tenet insisted. Go find them.

Veteran inspector Rod Barton couldn't believe his ears. "It was nonsense," the Australian biologist said of that February evening last year, when the then-chief of U.S. intelligence secretly flew to Baghdad and dropped in on the lakeside Perfume Palace, chandelier-hung home of the Iraq Survey Group.

"It wasn't that we didn't know the major answers," recalled Barton, whose account matched that of another key participant. "Are there WMD in the country? We knew the answers."

[continued at]

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/i/631/09-02-2005/4b4d0392bb0a59b0.html



As if the current NOLA debacle doesn't highlight the incompetence.

Read on, it gets more and more depressing, so you'd better keep those pom poms revved up, Sturgis. You're gonna need them to blow away the truth so you can continue to "strongly believe in the future". Shocked
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 05:20 am
Whatever works for you is fine for you JTT.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 07:47 am
Sturgis wrote:

...For one thing I strongly believe in the future and if it means doing a little bit of cheering for what I believe in then I will do it.


I do too, Sturgis. The difference between us is the vision of the future we strongly look toward. Mine is one of liberty and justice for all, including freedom of religion. Yours seems to be one of theocratic control where we all live under the dictates of a fundamentalist interpretation of the Christian God. Sounds eerily like the Taliban to me.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 08:14 am
JB writes
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I do too, Sturgis. The difference between us is the vision of the future we strongly look toward. Mine is one of liberty and justice for all, including freedom of religion. Yours seems to be one of theocratic control where we all live under the dictates of a fundamentalist interpretation of the Christian God. Sounds eerily like the Taliban to me.


??? How did you possibly get this out of what Sturgis said? Conservatism does not infringe on religious liberty or freedom. Quite the contrary. Those who seek to remove all evidence of religion from public view are infringing on religious liberty far more than are a few wacko fundamentalist extremists who try to force their religious beliefs on others. I hope we are getting judges who will vote against both of these threats to religious freedom.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 01:12 pm
Foxfyre, it was more from other posts on other threads. Certainly the posting here does not indicate that direction at all.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 01:14 pm
Thomas wrote:
I always thought the difference between the chief justice and the associate justices was merely an administrative one. Am I wrong?

For the most part, no, you are not wrong. The chief justice has certain administrative duties as head of the judicial branch, and he gets one more law clerk than the associate justices (which means, if you're one of those who believes that the law clerks do all the thinking on the court, that he's that much smarter than the other justices). Also, in conference, he gets to assign the opinion if he votes with the majority, which can be an important role for a chief justice who is interested in being a consensus builder (like Warren), but is largely wasted on less capable chiefs (like Burger). But, in the end, the chief's vote counts the same as every one else's.

Thomas wrote:
If not, and if Bush is smart, he will let Stevens keep his interim chief justice position. It would allow him to show some goodwill without giving up anything substantial about his judicial politics. I wonder if Bush is smart -- ok, no, I don't.

Bush would never appoint Stevens. My guess is that he will name Alberto Gonzalez or Antonin Scalia.

Thomas wrote:
I liked Rehnquist.

It probably shocked quite a few liberals who read The Brethren to discover that the evil, reactionary Rehnquist was actually the most well-liked member of the court, whereas William O. Douglas, the darling of the left, was a complete and utter bastard. I've never heard anyone express anything but a favorable opinion of Rehnquist as a person: he was a very charming, witty guy who was beloved by his law clerks. Also, like many members of the legal profession, he had a fondness for Gilbert and Sullivan operettas: the gold stripes that he sported on his judicial robes were inspired by the robe worn by the Lord Chancellor in Iolanthe.
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AllanSwann
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 01:33 pm
As a somewhat left-leaning lawyer, I always found Renquist to be a rather curious mix of decorum and bile. I guess eventually I likened him to a kinder, gentler version of JR Ewing on the bench. He tried to craft compromise but he could still be a prickly bastard to anyone who disagreed with him.
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lastmoderate
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:43 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
How did you possibly get this out of what Sturgis said? Conservatism does not infringe on religious liberty or freedom. Quite the contrary. Those who seek to remove all evidence of religion from public view are infringing on religious liberty far more than are a few wacko fundamentalist extremists who try to force their religious beliefs on others. I hope we are getting judges who will vote against both of these threats to religious freedom.


I think you're right for sure. I've been looking for religious freedom for years. I'm thrilled that the new Supreme Court will make it so.

I'm a member of the Church of Satan and I've been waiting a long time so that we can move obelisks into all the national monuments, court houses, public offices, as well as schools. These of course include "The Nine Satanic Statements", "The Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth", as well as "The Nine Satanic Sins" We're also really looking forward to prayer in schools because we have several that we want performed both first in the morning, and just before leaving at night. We also expect some kind of Satanic Grace given at the lunch meal.

Religious Freedom at last. Fantastic. Twisted Evil

See the following links for some of the other things we feel should be displayed in public.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 04:34 pm
lastmoderate wrote
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I think you're right for sure. I've been looking for religious freedom for years. I'm thrilled that the new Supreme Court will make it so.

I'm a member of the Church of Satan and I've been waiting a long time so that we can move obelisks into all the national monuments, court houses, public offices, as well as schools. These of course include "The Nine Satanic Statements", "The Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth", as well as "The Nine Satanic Sins" We're also really looking forward to prayer in schools because we have several that we want performed both first in the morning, and just before leaving at night. We also expect some kind of Satanic Grace given at the lunch meal.


Well you better pick a favorite out of the group because my understanding of the First Amendment is that the government can't deny your representation based purely on your religious beliefs, but they can't favor you over any other either. I hope we're getting judges who think the same way.
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lastmoderate
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 04:54 pm
Oh, I don't expect special treatment. I just want my religious preferences in the same places as the Christians and the Jews. You know, Ten Commandments plastered all over public property, school prayer to your "god", and things like that. Just equal time, no preference. I frankly think we should do that with all the faiths, not just the Christians and the Jews. I think we should have all the kids bow to the east and pray to Allah also. This is the religious freedom that you're talking about aren't you. I think Shinto Shrines and Statues of Budda are appropriate here as well. Oh no, I most certainly don't think we should be favored, just on the same playing field as the Christians and the Jews.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 07:08 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
My guess is that he will name Alberto Gonzalez or Antonin Scalia.


he does still owe scalia big time.

tell ya one thing though, i'm really fed up with all of the double talk about strict constructionists and activist judges, etc.

when i hear about strict adherence to the meaning of the constitution, as written, it just makes no sense to me. the framers, though very enlightened for the time, had no inkling of what the america of the 20th and 21st century would be like. wellll, maybe franklin had some thoughts because of his interest in science.

i understand the desire of some to live a conservative life, but it's really unfair to expect the rest of us to willingly tie ourselves to the good old days.

i agree to some extent that the constitution's core should be honored. but when interpretation is needed, i prefer that the courts err on the side of the decision that gives everyone more personal freedom. not less.

the way things are now, if you want to pray, you have everyright to. but i have the right not to. that's personal freedom.

if you don't believe in abortion, or even birth control, noone is going to force you into that behavior. as opposed to some who want to prohibit everyone from making those choices; based on their beliefs. that is not personal freedom. and id the government gets involved, it's a defacto establishment of religion.

that's how i feel about it, anyway...
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 07:19 pm
lastmoderate wrote:
Statues of Budda are appropriate here as well.


being a buddhist, i should be for this, but i'm not. one, i don't feel a need for others to believe as i do. and two, how would we know that the statue was really there, anyway ? Laughing

that said, why would i ever feel comfortable with pledging myself to someone else's god ? why would i want my kids to pray to the same?

and to top it off, as with intelligent design in science classes, by the time everyone has had their version of prayer and such, which would take up a lot of time based on prayer in the morning, prayer before lunch and maybe a prayer before going home, what time is there left for the real reason kids are supposed to go to school, anyway ?

readin', writin' and 'rithmatic.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 07:20 pm
I liked him. I'm sorry he's gone. He and O'Connor were my two favorites and their absence makes me afraid for the integrity of the court.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 07:30 am
Just heard that the President has appointed John Roberts as the new Chief Justice. Roberts clerked for Rehnquist in the past and Rehnquist mentored Roberts. Roberts holds a deep respect and affection for Chief Justice Rehnquist.

I am personally disappointed as I thought the coice would be Scalia or Thomas. But I also recognize it as a shrewd move and I believe Roberts will make an excellent Chief Justice.

Where the shrewdness comes in is that filling the Chief Justice seat first still leaves O'Connor's seat vacant and she has agreed to stay on until a replacement is confirmed. Futher, it means that we have a solid, conservative judge in the Chief Justice's chair and one of the administrative duties of the Chief Justice is to arrange the order in which cases will be considered by the court. That is one duty we probably don't want to leave up to a very liberal Justice Stevens who as senior member on the court would otherwise serve as interim chief until a new one is confirmed.

The court reconvenes in four weeks. The President has called on Congress to confirm Judge Roberts so that he can be in place on the opening day.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 08:05 am
This should be fun. Roberts faced very minimal opposition to becoming an associate justice. I wonder whether the opposition will be greater to his being named Chief Justice. I can just feel Arlen Spector getting ready to pounce.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 10:16 am
I don't claim any particular knowledge of how individual member's of the Senate will react--but i do think MA has a point, this could complicate Roberts' nomination.
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