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How did the Germans rationalize their former support of Hitler after their defeat?

 
 
Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2024 05:00 pm
How did the Germans rationalize their former support of Hitler after their defeat in World War II and the details of the genocide became apparent. The people had to have an out in order to evade responsibity for the horrors of the 3rd Reich, which they had indirectly or directly supported?

We were stupid? We were naive? We were misled? We didn't know? He was so convincing. We were tricked? He lied to us. We were indoctrinated as children to be German nationalists. We were scared and angry and wanted to blame somebody.

We weren't strong supporters of the Nazis. We were more anti-communist than anything else, and they were much worse than we were. We had ideals, but some of the leaders corrupted those ideals. We meant well. Hitler meant well, but there were saboteurs who worked against the state and ruined things. It was the International Jews ruined things. There was great evil in the world, and they defeated our noble plans.

Anything else?
 
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2024 07:07 am
@coluber2001,
I never read the book myself but back in 1996, we scored the author of Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, American writer Daniel Goldhagen. He spoke at our History Club meeting at Framingham State College (now known as Framingham State University).

The subject of the book covers exactly this thread.

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It was the International Jews ruined things. There was great evil in the world, and they defeated our noble plans.

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories existed for centuries before the Holocaust. So? That fed the constant hatred of the Jewish people.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2024 10:12 am
But Horst and Lisabet all joined, what could be the harm?
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2024 08:43 pm
The recent C19 propaganda campaign showed us just how easily people can be turned into tools of the establishment, given the right "incentives". Hell, GW did the same with his "you're either with us, or you're against us" speech, prior to the illegal invasion of Iraq, resulting in millions of displaced civilians, and an estimated death count in the hundreds of thousands.

I recall the very early documentaries dealing with the holocaust, and it was more than clear that Jewish people were involved directly in the death-dealing in those camps. It wasn't German Jewish people being exterminated, but it was Lithuanian and Polish Jewish people, who, given the opportunity to relocate to Palestine, to aide in the Balfour declaration's mission statement, of ousting the Palestinian people, to take possession of their nation, to enable the realisation of the Jewish state, for the wishes of Lionel Walter Rothschild, should they choose not to be part of that plan, were taken to the camps for their extermination.

So this wasn't just about Adolph, but a rather early globalist push, including the destruction of the powerful Ottoman empire, and an assumption of control in the oil wealth of the middle east. This is still going on today.

Obama played his part in attempting to demonise Syria's political elite, using proxy forces he was busted delivering supplies and munitions to, clandestinely. The control of the Golan Heights district is now in Jewish hands, so that was mission accomplished.

He also was a controlling force, along with the British military, in ousting the loved leader of Libya, and completely ruining that once-great nation-state in northern Africa, opening the ports there to the illegal invasion of Europe by African nationals. No mention has ever been made about the massive gold stores the Libyan people had, prior to that illegal invasion.

It's a **** show, but to think Adolph was the only demon in the mix, is laughable.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 01:50 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
It wasn't German Jewish people being exterminated, but it was Lithuanian and Polish Jewish people, who, given the opportunity to relocate to Palestine, to aide in the Balfour declaration's mission statement, of ousting the Palestinian people, to take possession of their nation, to enable the realisation of the Jewish state, for the wishes of Lionel Walter Rothschild, should they choose not to be part of that plan, were taken to the camps for their extermination.


Nuremberg Laws


Jews murdered under Nazi rule by country

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 02:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Holocaust: Non-Jewish Victims
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 04:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's exactly 80 years ago ...
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On July 24, 1944, Soviet soldiers and Polish military units arrived at the Majdanek concentration camp on the outskirts of the city of Lublin in eastern Poland.

A US war reporter would later describe Majdanek as "the most terrible place on the face of the Earth," comparing it to a huge car factory "for the production of death."

Ahead of the arrival of the Red Army, the Nazis had hastily abandoned Majdanek, one of six purpose-built killing centers called extermination camps that the Nazis built in the area of Poland under German occupation. They evacuated the remaining prisoners and tried to destroy the crematoriums and other buildings in an attempt to cover up the mass murder that took place at the death camp.

A least 78,000 people, including 59,000 Jews, were killed at Majdanek during its nearly three years of existence.
DW
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 11:28 am
@Walter Hinteler,
That's all one sentence, atrocious grammar, very limited control agreement.

Same as usual.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 02:17 pm
@Builder,
What utter filth. What terrible thing ever happened in your own life to make you think that saying such things was a socially acceptable action.

How vile.
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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 09:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Your link, Walter didn't include the three million Jews from Poland.

This excerpt is from wikipedia, on the Lithuanian Jewish casualties.
World War II and the Holocaust
Main article: The Holocaust in Lithuania

The Lithuanian Republic was occupied by Soviet Union in June 1940, and one year later, in June 1941, occupied by the Germans. During World War II, 91–95% of Lithuania's Jewish population were killed – almost all the Jews who had not managed to leave Lithuania and its environs. This was the highest casualty rate of Jews in any nation in the Holocaust.

This BBC article states that Obama had no plan for the people of Libya, after calling in air strikes, and having the loved leader raped and murdered, rather than arrested and tried.

Remembering that Obama's intention when invading that nation, was somehow to liberate the people from their "despot" leader, who they actually loved.

And another article from the BBCon how arming the Syrian rebels "may have been" a mistake.

It was no mistake. Obama was behind every move the "rebel forces" were making.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 10:43 pm
There's plenty of evidence for what I stated. I still recall the earliest documentaries, which told the real story. Yes, it was horrific, but over the years, that information was gradually deleted or curtailed to suit an agenda.

This Jewish site has more info about the Polish deaths of Jewish people. They made up close to half of all Jewish deaths at the hands of the Nazis.

I find it odd, Walter, that your link made no mention of this atrocity at all.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 11:34 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Your link, Walter didn't include the three million

https://i.imgur.com/9ZpCDaDl.png

Either you didn't look at it or ...
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 11:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Either you didn't look at it or ...


So you're actually supporting my claims. Thank you Walter.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2024 11:49 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
So you're actually supporting my claims. Thank you Walter.
My link says "Jewish Losses during the Holocaust: By Country", nothing more, nothing less.
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