There was a wonderful Matt Groening cartoon from the "life is hell" series where a parent has opened little Binky's door to see the ceiling, floor, walls, curtains, furniture - absolutely everything in the room - covered with ink and inky hand prints. The room is just total disaster. The caption reads, "Mistakes Were Made".
When one wishes to avoid responsibility, one uses the passive voice..."mistakes were made" but definitely not the active voice..."I made mistakes". Refer to Orwell "Politics and the English Language", or just refer to all cases above other than the two regarding Katrina and Sosa.
Sometimes I think we in America are to extreme to be able to understand nuances.
hi revel
This passive voice/active voice difference is one to keep in mind when studying political discourse. At the very least, it is a dependable indicator of who has or does not have the balls and integrity to be forthright regarding his/her responsibility.
Blatham
blatham wrote:hi revel
This passive voice/active voice difference is one to keep in mind when studying political discourse. At the very least, it is a dependable indicator of who has or does not have the balls and integrity to be forthright regarding his/her responsibility.
Kind of like the royal "We"? Why do nurses also use the "We" when addressing their patients?
BBB
bbb, blatham, guess considering my use of we I need to gather up some balls, huh? Just didn't feel like getting personal and so getting embroiled in a tit for tat chain of posts. I never do well in those things. I finally caught on to that sad fact after a year and more here.
But regarding the use of the word "we" and nurses. I read in a book the other day it is because of the partnership like relationship between a nurse and a patient, both doing their part to get the patient well. Or something like that.
He apologized and admitted error on several counts.
Not that anyone expected you to admit it, even though it's spread all over these pages.
You don't see what doesn't fit into your agenda.
Anyone who responded with avoidance after the proof was posted can consider this directed at them.
In each case, his words were the correct ones for each instance. Exactly what do you people think he should apologize for, specifically, that he hasn't?
Chertoff seemed to me not to have a grasp of the situation.
Now this is an interesting consequence of Katrina and, undoubtedly, of Iraq...
Quote:Eight in 10 people say it's important for Americans now driving sport utility vehicles to switch to more fuel-efficient vehicles to reduce the nation's dependence on oil, a poll found.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Energy-Poll.html
nimh wrote:Heh. Every once in a while, you gotta love Lash. I still stand by the overall assertion that Bush has, comparatively, shown an exceptional reluctance to face up to mistakes and take responsibility, but I'll never use the word "never" again in this context, thats for sure ;-)
Not an angry challenge--but one we may both (maybe one, moreso than the other) learn from.
How many apologies makes Bush less than other Presidents? What really do you base that statement on? Other than the constant parroting of the liberal rhetoric on the matter.
I've noticed "straight news" will preface remarks about Bush apologies with editorial comments....In a departure from the norm for this President"---or "A President who is known not to like to admit error, Bush said..."
Do you know that he has apologised less frequently than Presidents before him?
Hm. They say Bush never apologizes and I bring an abundance of Bush apologies.
They say Bush apologies are notably less than other Presidents'....but won't give evidence...
They aren't telling the truth. Don't be duped by rhetoric.
Lash
Lash wrote:Hm. They say Bush never apologizes and I bring an abundance of Bush apologies.
They say Bush apologies are notably less than other Presidents'....but won't give evidence...
They aren't telling the truth. Don't be duped by rhetoric.
That why we aren't duped by Lash's rhetoric.
BBB
You need to be educated by my facts, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears.
Bush has apologized several times.
Lash
Lash wrote:You need to be educated by my facts, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears.
Bush has apologized several times.
I never stick my fingers in my ears. I might hold my nose from time to time.
BBB
Re: Lash
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:Lash wrote:You need to be educated by my facts, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears.
Bush has apologized several times.
I never stick my fingers in my ears. I might hold my nose from time to time.
BBB
I'm sure you do--with all that bullshit constantly streaming from you. It is FOUL.
They say you really have to hold your nose in New Orleans nowadays.
The Curious Incident of the Veep in the Summertime
The Curious Incident of the Veep in the Summertime
Nora Ephron
09.11.2005
For some time I've been wondering whether anyone is going to explain the true mystery of what happened after Hurricane Katrina struck. I read thousands of words on the subject in this morning's New York Times, and I still don't get it. Where was the President? And more to the point, where was the Vice President?
And don't tell me Crawford Texas and on a ranch in Wyoming. For days there was an absolute vacuum at the top. Why? What was going on?
You'll be happy to hear that I have a theory. Is it possible that the President and the Vice President have fallen out? I mean, I'm just asking. But if you remember September 11, 2001 -- and I'm sure you do -- the President had no idea what to do, but the Vice President did. The Vice President took over. He didn't even consult with the President. He put the President on Air Force One and the President spent the day flying from one airport to another, which was something that even the President eventually understood made him look as if he wasn't in charge.
The relationship between Cheney and Bush has always reminded me of a moment I witnessed in the movie business many years ago. I had written a script for an actress, and she had decided she wanted to direct it. This was a terrible idea, because she was famous for dithering, but there was no question that the studio would make the movie if she directed it. "Don't worry about it," the producer of the movie said to me when I asked if she was remotely capable of directing a movie. "We can walk her through it."
It's always been clear to me that five years ago, when all those Republican guys got together and realized that George Bush could be elected president - and that he wasn't remotely capable - they came to an understanding: they would walk him through it. I'm sure it seemed like a swell idea, especially because it meant that they'd be in a perfect position to convince him to do all sorts of exciting things they had always wanted to do.
Cheney was the point man. Cheney was the guy they put on Meet the Press. Cheney was the person who seemed always to be the first responder. Cheney was the official they put into the bunker last May when a plane flew too close to the White House; Bush, who was bicycling in Maryland, wasn't even told about the episode until forty minutes after it was over. Even Laura Bush, who was in the bunker with Cheney, publicly questioned the decision to keep the President in the dark.
But if you look at the chart in Sunday's New York Times, which tells you who was where when Katrina struck, Cheney doesn't even get a listing. It's Bush, Chertoff, Brown. Bush I and Bill Clinton were summoned to help. But Cheney didn't even turn up back in Washington until last week, when he was sent off for a day of spouting platitudes while touring the flood zone.
Like the curious incident of the dog that didn't bark in the famous Sherlock Holmes story, Cheney's the missing person in this event, and one has to wonder why. If he were a woman, I would guess he'd been busy recovering from a face-lift, but he's not. So I can only suppose that something has gone wrong. Could the President be irritated that Cheney helped con him into Iraq? Oh, all right, probably not. Could Cheney - and not just his aides -- possibly be involved in the Valerie Plame episode? Is Cheney not speaking to Karl Rove? Does the airplane/bicycle incident figure into this in any way? And how is it possible that the President is off on vacation and the Vice President is too? Not that it matters that much if the President is on vacation; on some level, the President is always on vacation. But where was Cheney?
Just asking.
Re: Lash
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:Lash wrote:Hm. They say Bush never apologizes and I bring an abundance of Bush apologies.
They say Bush apologies are notably less than other Presidents'....but won't give evidence...
They aren't telling the truth. Don't be duped by rhetoric.
That why we aren't duped by Lash's rhetoric.
BBB
Prototypical of what happens here. Lash makes a point with an actual argument relevant to the facts, and BBB, rather than address any fact, gives a snappy comeback line.
from Ephron...hello truth
Quote:It's always been clear to me that five years ago, when all those Republican guys got together and realized that George Bush could be elected president - and that he wasn't remotely capable - they came to an understanding: they would walk him through it. I'm sure it seemed like a swell idea, especially because it meant that they'd be in a perfect position to convince him to do all sorts of exciting things they had always wanted to do.