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Sun 30 Mar, 2003 10:22 pm
We have a2k art chats every Sunday at 8pm EST, and will widen the hours if there is interest. The subject for April is art in the time of war.
Here are the merest beginnings of some links about art and war.
http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/u/uccello/4battle/2battle.html
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/art/greek/10_97_5_69.jpg - dying gaul
http://www.cs.wayne.edu/~zhw/csc691/tour1pic4detail.html
Delacroix - Chios
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/goya/goya.shootings-3-5-1808.jpg
http://www.artnet.com/ag/fineartthumbnails.asp?aid=1649
http://www.photo-seminars.com/Fame/capa.htm
Here is a page from a ny gallery site on the same subject -
http://www.gseart.com/essay911.htm
Galerie St. Etienne
All art in war, or after war, however affected by it, may not portray extreme angst, pain, the incredible destruction of war. An artist may seek solace in delicacy of memory of Spring, and rebirth.
How is what we are now living through, our time of war that we haven't much control over, affecting our own work, or interest in work?
Other war art sites
From BumbleBeeBoogie
This site displays a photo of the American Flag made from flowers by German citizens after the 9/11 terrorist attack:
http://pages.ivillage.com/gaius_mohaim/whatisart/id272.html
This site displays the Crazy Horse Monument re the US-American Indian wars.
http://pages.ivillage.com/gaius_mohaim/whatisart/id165.html
This is the site of the "Doctor Seuss Goes to War" cartoon collection:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/
This is a site of toy soldiers:
http://pages.ivillage.com/gaius_mohaim/whatisart/id108.html
Thanks, Bumble, these are good for the talk....
"The work of art may have a moral effect, but to demand moral purpose from the artist is to make him ruin his work. "
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
fOR EACH ARTIST THAT ATTEMPTS TO DEPICT THE HORRORS OF WAR, THERE ARE A NUMBER WHO EXCELL AT DEPICTING THE EXTREME BOREDOM AND THE TIMES BETWEEN THE BATTLES. wINSLOW HOMER WAS EXCEPTIONALLY GIFTED AT SHOWING SOLDIERS MASSING, OR JUST SITTING AROUND. MY REALITY OF THE CIVIL WAR WAS FORMED BY HOMERS DRAWINGS AND ENGRAVINGS. THE TERM..."DAYS OF SHEER BOREDOM PUNCTUATED BY MOMENTS OF TERROR"... WAS ATTRIBUTED TO sHERIDAN OR sHERMAN .iLL SEE IF I CAN DIG UP SOME LINKS OF WORK BY HOMER, SARGENT OR EVERS.
JMW Turner's paintings of battle
The Burning of The House of Commons
Cool depictions of war famerman. My great uncles was gassed in WWI, Mustard Gas. He survived but was blinded for a time. Eventually surgery corrected his vision.
My uncle was gassed too. Never "well" after that, he was a good man and still accomplished a lot; he died when I was four. My only personal memory of him was his showing me how to turn the handle on the icecream maker on the back porch of their house in Oklahoma.
So that was a moving link on the Gassing.
Interesting Satt, you think that to try to creat art about the morality of war can only turn to ruin? Or do you mean that the art that is produced in the shadow of war just is.
Interesting article accompanies the image you posted.
http://www.artic.edu/reynolds/essays/hofmann.php
I thought the cover was a study by Picabia. Im glad you found the article Joanne. I was always believed that Picabia and Duchamp were really doing their work as a joke, since they lrft such tracks of derisive team writing about getting drunk and the Phonycafe crowds. Although I really like Picabias singular style, his work (as a collection) easily starts to wear on you (ie, youve seen one then youve seen them all). Unlike Duchamp who seemed to "continue having even more fun" and so turned the worlds head.
Well I did not used to like Duchamp - but then I started painting and now I do cause he is a person that I am influenced by even before I knew it.
P.S. On sale I bought four sable brushes the other day. My first really good brushes. Now I am afraid to use them. Also I often use the same kind of brushes that are used for Chinese painting, they seem like they are animal not nylon. Would you have any idea what kind of fur they are made from?
JoanneDorel wrote:Interesting Satt, you think that to try to creat art about the morality of war can only turn to ruin?
No, not necessarily. But I see men (without reference to women) of Europe until 1915 differently from those living after 1916.
New brushes eh Joanne? you must break them, they must be made an example of. If they are something like sable or squirrel, theyd be reeally soft and come to a sharp tip when wetted.(unless theyre flats)
I dont know how good an idea this is , but I always keep a small hotel bar of ivory soap in a plastic box in my paint kit . When Im done , I rinse and rinse till no color comes out, then I slide the brush on the soap bar and lie them flat. The brushes dry with a soap crust and this helps retain their shape and keeps the bristle soft.
Satt don't forget Annoymous was a woman
Here is a good link to women that creat but alas the work only goes back to the 16th century.
National Museum of Women In The Arts
JoanneDorel..
I meant I did not have any association of women and WWI.
Satt I read to fast, sorry I miss understood.
Farmerman three are from France and one from the UK they are marked sable I did not get any flats. Thank you for the information.
JoanneDorel..
I am noticing I often write too crisp a sentense.
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