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Where Are All The W.M.D.s?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2003 11:58 am
owi, WELCOME! Looking forward to more of your well thought-out opinions. c.i.
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2003 12:02 pm
I fervently hope that Bush and his braintrust [joke] were wrong and if they were not that Saddam does not use them. All else is academic.
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John Webb
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 04:41 am
"U.S. forces swooped down on an Iraqi primary school and detained 6th Grade teacher Mohammed Al-Hazar. Sources indicate he was in possession of a ruler, a protractor, and a calculator. Bush argued this was clear evidence Iraq has weapons of 'maths instruction'." Shocked
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 07:09 am
Weapons of Mass Destruction

Depleted Uranium
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 07:39 am
I'm with au on this.

I don't know if there are any WMD in Iraq (my guess is there may be a few chemical weapons) -- but I truly hope Bush and company were wrong.

In any case, I definitely hope they never get used against our troops.

And even if a few are found -- I will still consider what we did to be illegal and unethical. The Security Council should have had the final say in this matter.
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 11:29 am
OK, about the WMDs that the opponents of war want to see. Ten minutes ago I watched an Israeli news program, and it showed several episodes of the current campaign in Iraq (some Israeli journalists that cover the issue are on the site with the U.S. troops): the U.S. Army attacked some military post of Iraqis in the North, and Iraqi soldiers abandoned the position. And the very detailed instructions on usage of the chemical warfare were found in the offices of this post. The weapon itself was allegedly taken from there by the retreating Iraqis.
I am not so much happy with the fact that Iraqis really have chemical weapons, since it may be used against Allied Forces' soldiers, but at last we have some indirect proofs of Saddam's possession of non-conventional warfare that was prohibited to his regime by the UN resolutions.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 11:31 am
Hasn't liberation of thankful Iraqis superceded weapons of mass destruction as the major reason for this offensive?

I keep reading now of various vague discoveries made. In an interview in the NYT today with one of the generals, he described how a large cache of artillery was found, but was so old it was useless. Also, that they hadn't yet found any WMD, although they were looking.
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John Webb
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 11:35 am
As a last resort, Bush may send Madonna to Irag to prove they have weapons of mass seduction. Cool
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 11:50 am
I miss the point, Mr. Webb; what Madonna (I guess, you meant the popular singer and actress) has to do with all this?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 11:58 am
Mass Distraction, steissd, mass distraction. There is no relevance. The hopes and expectations of The Left remain unmet, while the assertions of The Right gain credence. This bothers some folks to the point of absolute distraction. Disarray is the uniform of The Opposition, it would seem to me.
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owi
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:10 pm
steissd wrote:
I am not so much happy with the fact that Iraqis really have chemical weapons, since it may be used against Allied Forces' soldiers, but at last we have some indirect proofs of Saddam's possession of non-conventional warfare that was prohibited to his regime by the UN resolutions.


Who ever wants to find, will find...
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:18 pm
OK, and the ones that are not interested to find anything will fail to see a thermonuclear bomb from distance of half a foot...
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owi
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:23 pm
Actually I don't know, how a thermonuclear bomb looks like.
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:41 pm
Well, you are not supposed to. But the military employs specialists that can distinguish such a weapon from the vacuum cleaner or a tractor.
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John Webb
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:53 pm
In Iraq, anything that looks nothing like a vacuum cleaner, tractor, bicycle .... or a camel is considered by Bush to be a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Rolling Eyes
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owi
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 12:57 pm
Therefor we need specialists, who are neutral. Their duty should be, to watch out whether there are such things or not. Specialists like....hmm...let's call them "UN weapons inspectors"!
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 01:05 pm
OK, but I would like these UN inspectors to be U.S./British/Australian citizens with background in the corresponding armies, non-Muslims, and having no record of participation in any anti-war movements.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 01:09 pm
What a Thermonuclear Bomb Looks Like:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm13.jpg

What one does:http://www.dvts.org/hex/images/hydrogen-bomb2.jpg (The column and cloud in the photo are some 75,000 feet high)
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owi
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 01:25 pm
steissd wrote:
OK, but I would like these UN inspectors to be U.S./British/Australian citizens with background in the corresponding armies, non-Muslims, and having no record of participation in any anti-war movements.


What's your problem with muslim inspectors?

btw. here's a little part of the Human rights declaration:

Article 1

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 2 Apr, 2003 01:35 pm
I just listed the criteria for the trustworthy weapons inspectors. Results of inspections performed by the people that do not fit these definitions will be in the best case dubious.
My own compatriots will deliberately confuse any lavatory bowl with an ICBM, and the continental European or Arab nationals will deny presence of chemical weapons even if they get poisoned by this stuff themselves.
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