I Still Don't Get How Anti-Bush = Unpatriotic

Being anti-bush is not unpatriotic. Spitting on the flag because it represents Bush is unpatriotic. Burning effigies of Bush is unpatriotic. Continuously harping on the fact that one finds the USA to be a horrible place is unpatriotic. Sabatoging government events is unpatriotic.

Being anti-Bush is very American. He is just another politician. It's how you act upon your thoughts that determines whether one is patriotic or not.

The flag doesn't represent the Shrub, so that little manufactured bit of horsie poop is as meaningless as most of your hateful "contributions." Suggesting that people here "harp" on the theme that the United States is a horrible place is a strawman, for which you provide no support. I rather suspect that your reference to government events is rallies for the Shrub at which dissenters have been driven away, often illegally. Campaign rallies are not government events.

All in all, another McG tour de force in hyperbole, fantasy and contempt for anyone who dissents from the double-think of the neocon.

Oh look, another unasked for edition of "Setanta Knows All!"

You screwed up the goofy emoticon, McG, but surely you can fix that with an edit . . .

There's a lot the Left doesn't "get". That's why they lost, why they'll continue to lose and why their so-called "stands" ring hollow.

The left gets it all right. There just aren't enough of us to vote change without the fence straddlers, who vote like sheep instead of thinking humans.

I think I'ts what the right doesn't "get". That's why they won, but there "getting" it now and there "getting" it bad, As everything shows. All the polls, All the papers, etc,etd shows Americas remorse and our condition show there mistake. We told them so. Maybe next time the'll listen

GOP senator Hagel says Iraq looking like Vietnam
Associated Press

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WASHINGTON ?- A leading Republican senator said today the war in Iraq is looking more like the Vietnam conflict from a generation ago.



Hagel

Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reaffirmed his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq.

"Stay the course is not a policy," said Hagel, a possible White House contender in 2008. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning."

Sen. George Allen, R-Va., another possible candidate for the GOP nomination for president in 2008, said the formation of a constitution guaranteeing basic freedoms would provide a rallying point for Iraqis.

Political leaders in Baghdad were working to complete the draft of the new constitution in time for the Monday night deadline for parliamentary approval.



Allen

"The terrorists don't have anything to win the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. All they care to do is disrupt," said Allen, who appeared with Hagel on ABC's This Week.

Hagel said more U.S. troops is not the solution.

"We're past that stage now because now we are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," Hagel said. "The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have."

Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese that the U.S. fought, the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization. Still, Hagel argued, the similarities are growing.

"What I think the White House does not yet understand ?- and some of my colleagues ?- the dam has broke on this policy," Hagel said. "The longer we stay there, the more similarities (to Vietnam) are going to come together."

The Army's top general, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press that the Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq ?- well over 100,000 ?- for four more years as part of preparations for a worst-case scenario.



Graham

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said U.S. security is tied to success in Iraq, and he counseled people to be patient.

"The worst-case scenario is not staying four years. The worst-case scenario is leaving a dysfunctional, repressive government behind that becomes part of the problem in the war on terror and not the solution," Graham said on Fox News Sunday.

Allen said the military would be strained at such levels in four years yet could handle that difficult assignment. Hagel described the Army contingency plan as "complete folly."

"I don't know where he's going to get these troops," Hagel said. "There won't be any National Guard left ... no Army Reserve left ... there is no way America is going to have 100,000 troops in Iraq, nor should it, in four years."

edgar, thats a good one. Maybe the right should enlist since the enlistment numbers show there the only one's that "get" it. Apparently less and less people are "getting" it.

the state of the union is very much like the the days of the nixon presidency, from what i remember.

happy sunday, j.w.

no sniping on this thread, please. (every other thread, sure ! but since i boxed myself in on this one, i'm hiding my frustration beneath a thin veneer of sanctimonius righteousness. )

here's your chance. what is it that non-bush supporters "don't get" ? how is it that if you are against bush, you are unpatriotic ?

Sundays are always happy

I have never said being against Bush is unpatriotic. Matter of fact, I have no problem with "demonstrators" ... even the ones in Crawford.

This particular demonstration (the one in Crawford) is sure to backfire, though, and that's the part the Left "doesn't get".

Wait and see.

as a matter of fact, i do not think i have seen you say that. but we know that a lot of others have, right ?

do you have any idea where they're coming from ?

the crawford gathering ? hmmm, hard to say for me. i get the point, a lot of others get the point. it appears to have put a little umph in the anti-war movement. even if some of us aren't of the opinion that the u.s. should pull out first thing tomorrow, i/we believe that it has been handled so badly by the admin and the pentagon that it will never turn out the way that was represented. and it really does look to me like it will end in either a theocracy, a heavily islamic constitution or civil war. none of which is good for the iraqis and will be horrible for the united states.

but as the 2004 election showed, people are fickle. it seems like america is generally fearful and only a terror alert away from a temporary swing to the hard right.

so, although i don't think you're positively correct on the effort backfiring, it is possible and wouldn't surprise me much.

I'm drunk. Bush is an a****le. Goodnight.

Was searching for information on something else and this was the first item that came up in my query:

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/robertlafollette.htm

Thought you all might find it interesting.

Anti-Bush = Unpatriotic?

Some people think all it takes is an eyeroll.

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the whole "unpatriotic", "hate america", "out of the mainstream" schtick is complete hogwash, anyway.

Why jump to the conclusion that cj's assessment of you was solely based on your immediately prior post? Isn't it likely he thought that about you prior to that post?

I didn't jump to any conclusions.

His accusation is nothing but another in a nasty series of ad hominem posts, unworthy of further response from me or defense from you.