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Academic Freedom....according to Liberals

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 01:00 pm
Heh, for Republicans, requests for backup data ARE seen as diversions!

Interferes with the ideology, facts, yaknow

Cycloptichorn
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cavolina
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 01:33 pm
Rayban

Perhaps it because you are a conservative and I am a Liberal that I try to understand your disconnected logic. As a veteran who served proudly and with distinction, and one who does not support this war but supports my brothers and sisters in arms, I question you either or logic. But then, it may be that conservatives have such a narrow view of the world that they can't be anything but either or.

I am a native New Yorker. I am a sworn enemy of Osama bin Laden. Should he pass my way, I will do what I can to subdue him and bring him to the justice he deserves. A slow and painful justice.

I do have problems with Islamic fascism because it fosters a hate that has no logic and wants to kill anything that is not Islamic. However, I have as much problem with American fascism that says corporations have more right to protection under the law than a American citizen because of the corporate disdain for the rule of law and their never satisfied greed.

There is one very old and tired argument that conservatives have used over the years that one would think that an intelligent individual would realize is without merit. It's the one that goes "well a majority of the people want it" It was the same argument that the slave owners used to justify slavery.

The constitution was written to protect the minority of people from the tyranny of a majority run amok. If majority rule were the only thing one needed to make law, then we would all be required to worship at the majority's church with no argument allowed.

Speaking of the constitution, the ACLU which protects me, a person who practices my religion in private, from wingnuts like you who think wearing your religion on your sleeve and forcing it down the throats of everyone else. The constitution allows you to choose the time and place you worship. It does not permit you to do it at the expense of others or allow it to be sanctioned by the state.

Perhaps the best way to make this argument make sense to you is to make the hypothesis that a majority of people in this country turn away from Christianity and turn to Buddhism. Want the state to sanction that religion? I doubt it.

I suspect that you are the majority of one who gives a damn if immigrants coming here have English as their primary language. They will learn English and be far better off having two languages. As an educator, I have a teaching credential in Special Education, we have empirical evidence that bilingual people have higher capacities for learning.

I don't have time to give you economics 101, but if you think this business model that is practiced today is anything like that written about by Adam Smith, you haven't been reading. You really have to stop getting your info from Hannity and O'Reilly.

Perhaps Professor Freidman might have some time to enlighten you. Nah, on second thought he probably has more important things to do.
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BillyFalcon
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:49 pm
Rayban, We have heard the same kind of malicious, red baiting accusations before. You're a throwback from the 1950's. Welcome to Joseph McCarthy land.

? Why are you so afraid of Liberal professors and their ideas. Does being a young Comservative make one unable to hold his ground? Are the ideas of young conservatives so weak they need to be protected?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 03:01 pm
BillyFalcon wrote:
Rayban, We have heard the same kind of malicious, red baiting accusations before. You're a throwback from the 1950's. Welcome to Joseph McCarthy land.

? Why are you so afraid of Liberal professors and their ideas. Does being a young Comservative make one unable to hold his ground? Are the ideas of young conservatives so weak they need to be protected?


rayban is an old conservative......just so's ya know. :wink:
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 03:16 pm
BillyFalcon wrote:
Rayban, We have heard the same kind of malicious, red baiting accusations before. You're a throwback from the 1950's. Welcome to Joseph McCarthy land.

? Why are you so afraid of Liberal professors and their ideas. Does being a young Comservative make one unable to hold his ground? Are the ideas of young conservatives so weak they need to be protected?


He's afraid that the liberal eductors and the liberal media are going to defeat the conservative infrastructure in American politics.
In a perfect world, Ray would have a frothing at the mouth conservative President, Supreme Court, Congress and Senate...the same frothing at the mouth news anchors, professors and policemen, who would in turn indefinately imprison every individual who lacks the tunnel vision and the frothing-at-the-mouth disposition for narrowmindedness.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 03:24 pm
Cavolina

You started out in a sane manner and merely devoted most of your post to disagreement but then you sank into the usual liberal cesspool with this:

cavolina wrote:
Speaking of the constitution, the ACLU which protects me, a person who practices my religion in private, from wingnuts like you who think wearing your religion on your sleeve and forcing it down the throats of everyone else. The constitution allows you to choose the time and place you worship. It does not permit you to do it at the expense of others or allow it to be sanctioned by the state.


If you knew me instead of rushing to judgement as you did, you would know that I am not religious at all and I believe in evolution....not creationism. That being the case, show me where I tried to force my religion down your throat.

The reason I defend religious practices is because I seem to be more tolerant than you and because I think it is dangerous for society to replace God with Socialism as many liberals would like to do. Society needs a fixed code to live by and the Ten Commandments have served this country well for over two hundred years, therefore I would not like to see us follow the European trend of gradually forcing religion from peoples lives and to instead adopt a new code that says "do anything that feels good as long as it doesn't harm anyone else" which many liberals seem to endorse.

As for the rest of your "Sermon" we can merely agree to disagree and I will overlook your arrogant superiority complex which is so much in evidence
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 03:27 pm
Society needs a fixed code to live by ...

That's why we have laws. Laws that don't infringe on religion or personal beliefs.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 03:57 pm
I think the only things that can be infered from the article are that people with liberal inclinations are more apt to chose teaching as a career.

Because the only other option would have to be that conservatives are unable to get teaching jobs or to hold onto them.

I'm really curious as to what classes these people are taking that they sit around discussing their own personal beliefs on anything. Current events?

Frankly, I would have been kind of pissed that I was spending my hard earned money to hear what John or Joan had to say.

I'm also really curious as to the educational background of the glut of conservative talking heads and their in print cohorts. Were they too educated by liberals? How did they get out of there with anything other than liberal thoughts is the liberal climate of university is so damning?

For that matter, where did this whole conservative majority come from? Are they all high school dropouts or what?
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 04:01 pm
Those are excellent questions, boomerang. Frankly, I consider this whining about liberals controlling academe just another example of conservative whining in general. It's not enough that one of theirs is president, we're also supposed to feel sorry for them.

How pathetic...
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rayban1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 04:07 pm
squinney wrote:
Society needs a fixed code to live by ...

That's why we have laws. Laws that don't infringe on religion or personal beliefs.


What is the foundation for many of our laws such as murder, and theft?

You could of course adopt Sharia(Muslim) Law which commands certain punishment for certain offenses such as stoning , cutting off hands, etc. They have adopted a different code for a different society which is perfectly acceptable as long as they don't attempt to force their code down my throat.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 04:32 pm
Thanks D'Art. Sometimes I think my head must be full of pudding -- when I read this stuff it makes so little sense.

I've really been thinking about what kind of class might foster such discussion.

The only class I ever took where we even came close to such conversation was a seminar called "Science, Miracle and Evidence". The teacher was a Calvinist and the class was composed of a dozen hand picked students from very different backgrounds. Even when we discussed personal beliefs it had to be under the guise of whoever we were reading -- Aristotle, Bishop Butler, David Hume and C.S. Lewis.

Anyone too intimidated to speak in such a class is to big a pussy to be there in the first place, in my opinion.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 04:37 pm
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The University of Nude Copulating Asians
Mike S. Adams (archive)

August 15, 2005

This week's column features an interview with Mark Ruscoe, a resident of Asheville, North Carolina. As a father of two (one a college-bound teenager), Mark decided to check out a diversity event at UNC-Asheville. He wanted to learn about the quality of education at UNCA, should one of his children decide to attend the taxpayer-supported institution of higher learning. You don't want to miss this one.

MA: Based on one of our previous conversations, I gather you had quite an experience at UNCA. Could you tell us the name of the event you attended and give us a little background information?

MR: Indeed it was an experience. It was a film called "Masters of the Pillow", produced by a professor of Asian-American studies out at U.C. Davis named Darrel Hamamoto. I learned of the event after I had dropped my daughter off for swim practice at UNCA one afternoon. I looked down on the sidewalk and saw a promotional pamphlet for the film. On the front was a photograph of an Asian couple having sex with a shot of Dr. Hamamoto lecturing behind them in front of a chalkboard. The pamphlet described the basic premise of the film, which was that Dr. Hamamoto felt Asian-American men had become emasculated by popular American culture, and that this project of his was supposed to somehow change that.

Anyway, I decided right then that as a taxpayer and as a parent of a soon-to-be college kid I needed to see this film.

MA: Well, that is an interesting thesis. But, first off, the administrators at UNCA must know that there are occasions when children below 18 will be visiting campus. It would seem that the administration would have the common sense to think twice about floating those pamphlets around campus.

I also want to make sure that I understand the thesis of the film and the professor's work. He sees the lack of Asians in porn films as problematic? What is he saying? Does he think that white racism is keeping them out of the industry?

MR: Yes, apparently he views the American porn industry as racist, in that it has historically excluded Asian-American men. But Asian-American women have been adequately represented by his account. The pamphlet I found on the sidewalk indicated that this serious exclusion had produced a psychological problem--their emasculation, of sorts. He intended to rectify this situation with his project, which was to film an explicit sexual encounter between an Asian-American male, whom he had recruited, and an Asian-American female porn star. As I say, the whole premise was so unbelievable it almost seemed funny - except for the very excited and motivated crowd of college students who showed up for the production. They thought it was serious business, right down to the fellow two rows in front of me who took off his clothes halfway through the film while sitting next to his girlfriend.

MA: I think there are two troubling aspects here. First of all, you are probably aware that the educational attainment of Asians is very high in this country. I'm sure you are also aware that the Asian crime rate is very low - as is the Asian illegitimacy rate. That is due largely to the strength of Asian families. I would hardly expect an intelligent person to seek to revolutionize Asian American culture by pushing men into the porn industry and promoting promiscuity.

Instead, an intelligent person would seek to drive the involvement of Asian women in the porn industry down to the already low level of Asian men. Given what we now know about the child prostitution industry in certain Asian countries - which targets young Asian girls - it seems that this professor from California has everything completely backwards.

The other disturbing aspect of the situation is that any type of porn film was shown to students on campus, regardless of the "social message" behind it. UNC campuses are always pushing this idea that "offensive speech" cannot be tolerated on campus. Sometimes Republican groups are prevented from getting funding because they are "too political" or their speakers are "too controversial." And now we see the UNC system showing taxpayer-funded porn movies with people engaging in live sex acts.

Am I overstating the case, here?

MR: Not at all. The whole thing turned out to be even more troubling than I expected. There was graphic nudity. There were also very detailed depictions of sex in several variations. But the ironic aspect of the film was the way in which the staged sex was politicized by the angry professor. I thought this actually rendered it shameful in a different but equally tragic way when compared with "normal" street-variety pornography. It was like in your face Asian-American sex, with an attitude. It was rather sad.

MA: Not to mention stupid, too.

MR: Yes. It was just a disturbing milieu, especially for kids, many of whom clearly had to be struggling with their own ideas of sexual identity. It was disturbing knowing that, as a taxpayer, I had helped fund it. And it was even more disturbing knowing that, in a few years, my child might be in that audience.

MA: Well, as a taxpayer and parent of a child considering the UNC system, did you ever contact the administration?

MR: Yes, in fact, I did two things as a result of my attending the show: I wrote the vice-chancellor for student academic affairs, Mark Padilla ( [email protected] ), with a list of questions I had about the film. I received only a "no comment". And, being a biweekly editorial writer for the Asheville Citizen-Times, I penned my next column on my experience. That column was blackballed at the last minute by the editor of the AC-T.

MA: Well, I think we all need to write to UNC President Molly Broad ( [email protected] ) and start demanding some answers. I am embarrassed and sorry this all happened, Mark. I can promise that the story is not dead yet.

Mike S. Adams ( www.DrAdams.org ) can still remember the time that UNC feminists prevented the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders from coming to campus. The feminists, who were offended (read: threatened) by the cheerleaders did not, however, consider filming them in live sex acts with Asian football players. That would have changed everything in the eyes of diversity proponents.

Mark Ruscoe likes to blog in his pajamas at ( www.theculturewasteland.com ).

Darrel Hamamoto teaches in California. That really says it all.
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 04:39 pm
Agree with Boomer.

Where DID they come from?

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A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.


source

Must not apply to Cornell or University of Michigan.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 05:19 pm
boomerang wrote:


Anyone too intimidated to speak in such a class is to big a pussy to be there in the first place, in my opinion.


This thread reeks of similarities to the Adam Sandler movie "The Waterboy"...where he goes to college and starts reciting "what Mama says" about the facts of life.
If conservatives feel ostracized or intimidated in post secondary institutions then perhaps it's not the institutions' fault...maybe their beliefs are so out of whack with reality that you'd be the idiot for not pointing it out to them.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 05:33 pm
Yeah, Tico, it is sad that we don't ALL get to pick and choose where our tax dollars go.

A documentary on the role of Asian American's in the porn industry v. a $250,000,000 bridge to Bumfuck, Alaska v. endless other things that some people find offensive.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 05:53 pm
Re: Michael Savage

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Trained as a scientist, he holds Master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science. He spent decades searching and saving tropical rainforests.


Guess we can cross Berkely (Berkley!) off the list.

Re: Bill O'Reilly

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Education sparked O'Reilly's career. He graduated with a degree in history from Marist College, with a Master's Degree in broadcast journalism from Boston University, and attained another Master's in Public Administration from Harvard's Kennedy School of Government


And Boston University and Harvard

I couldn't find anything about Rush Limbaugh or Lars Larson's or Sean Hannity's education.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 06:10 pm
rayban asked

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What is the foundation for many of our laws such as murder, and theft?


Common sense not religion. The prohibition on murder is ancient but only applied to not killing those outside your immediate tribal affiliation. Theft is only a problem where individual ownership is a cultural feature.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 06:12 pm
goodfielder wrote:
rayban asked

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What is the foundation for many of our laws such as murder, and theft?


Common sense not religion. The prohibition on murder is ancient but only applied to not killing those outside your immediate tribal affiliation. Theft is only a problem where individual ownership is a cultural feature.


So as long as I can't own anything I don't have to worry about someone stealing my stuff?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 07:19 pm
Baldimo wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
rayban asked

Quote:
What is the foundation for many of our laws such as murder, and theft?


Common sense not religion. The prohibition on murder is ancient but only applied to not killing those outside your immediate tribal affiliation. Theft is only a problem where individual ownership is a cultural feature.


So as long as I can't own anything I don't have to worry about someone stealing my stuff?


That's it. Takes a lot off your mind doesn't it?
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squinney
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 07:20 pm
IMO, this cry of "Liberals ate my college student" is just another fake issue created by Republicans to stir up whatever institution they want to put in the way-back machine.

Remember cry for Tort Reform, which was blamed for frivolous lawsuits by people that put coffee between their legs, that cause insurance rates to go up and now no one wants to deliver babies?

Just an attempt to a) snipe at Edwards pre-election, b) set voters up for the Supreme Court battle, and c) deflect responsibility for outrageous premiums from the insurance companies onto the victims of malpractice.

Same thing with education. Just a fake issue with a republican agenda.
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