Cheney v. Clinton 2008?

I say it's time we let women run the world.(except for certain times of the month)

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Amigo wrote:

I say it's time we let women run the world.(except for certain times of the month)

I thought that thing they're a life support system for already ran the world

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Bear

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

Amigo wrote:
I say it's time we let women run the world.(except for certain times of the month)

I thought that thing they're a life support system for already ran the world

What did you say? Duh?

BBB

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calm down BBB... just keeping the conversation lively.......

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

calm down BBB... just keeping the conversation lively.......

Oh yeah? Well, it's my PMS time of the month.

BBB

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

Amigo wrote:
I say it's time we let women run the world.(except for certain times of the month)

I thought that thing they're a life support system for already ran the world

spoken like a true musician, bvt. Laughing

i like hillary well enough. but... after 20 years i could use a break from having a president named bush or clinton. variety is the spice of life, right ?

i have this sneaking feeling that in the next couple of years, cheney will step down for health reasons and rice will be pulled in as vice president.

get a little otjt and then wait for the disembodied call from the wings.."hey ! what about condi ???".

biden might be okay, as could be richardson, mccain, hagle possibly feinstein. can say from living under the governator that ahnoldt would not be okay.

dunno. really would prefer someone who really is moderate, middle of the road. someone who isn't interested in refighting 30+ year old battles and dragging us all over the place on social mores and religion.

i'd like to see a president that can bring back some damn stability and be a president to all americans, not just the base.

that's what the job is supposed to be, isn't it ?

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BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:
calm down BBB... just keeping the conversation lively.......

Oh yeah? Well, it's my PMS time of the month.

BBB

here have a chocolate....

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
calm down BBB... just keeping the conversation lively.......

Oh yeah? Well, it's my PMS time of the month.

BBB

here have a chocolate....

Only really dark semi-sweet chocolate will work to soothe this savage beast. Got any?

BBB

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This is gonna shock some of you,knowing how much of a conservative I am,but my choice for Pres is a Dem.
His name is Evan Bayh,and he is from Indiana.
If he runs,he will have my full support.
I like him,I trust him,and I think he would be good for this country.

On the Repub side,I honestly dont know.
Condi might be a good choice,but since there are really no viable candidates out there yet,I will wait to see who decides to run before I make my choice.

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mysteryman wrote:

This is gonna shock some of you,knowing how much of a conservative I am,but my choice for Pres is a Dem.
His name is Evan Bayh,and he is from Indiana.
If he runs,he will have my full support.
I like him,I trust him,and I think he would be good for this country.

i think i remember his father, birch, from when i was growing up. is that the same family.

what i've heard evan say, i like so far. thanks for reminding me.

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nimh wrote:

Ugh, what a choice :-(

Watch this one. The present Republican organization will do anything and everything to keep McCain out because he will almost certainly cause the party to split apart at the seams with the equally certain consequence of a religious right third party forming up. The goal is some thirty years of Republican dominance along with the further marginalization/destruction of the Democrat party and its alliances and support. A McCain nomination will result in the exact opposite result...a united Democrat party likely to be dominant for a long time. This is very serious business. Loosing the next election (with someone other than McCain running) will be a far more agreeable consequence than what I've described above. If no one appears who has the clear and unambiguous certainty of defeating McCain (while still maintaining this present constellation of interest groups and power structures) then Cheney will absolutely take on this task. He's a rat-bastard of the first order in the company of a lot of other first order rat-bastards and if they can get away with it, they'll murder McCain if they must.

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

After reading the article this was the closest thing I found towards policy

Ehm, jp, I'm not gonna do ALL your homework ... I said I read a couple of articles on him in TNR that went into his appeal. I already dug out one specific link for you that I think does a good job describing his "agile way of talking to voters, including the centrist/independent/white working class ones" -- but you're gonna have to use the search function yourself to find the other one (there was at least one other one), which went more into the "independent vision thing re: policies" thing.

If you feel you dont know enough about the man just get googling! The knowledge is not gonna be handed on a plate TO you, you know - not even in campaign times, when obfuscation and distraction are the agenda of the day ...

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
This is gonna shock some of you,knowing how much of a conservative I am,but my choice for Pres is a Dem.
His name is Evan Bayh,and he is from Indiana.
If he runs,he will have my full support.
I like him,I trust him,and I think he would be good for this country.

i think i remember his father, birch, from when i was growing up. is that the same family.

what i've heard evan say, i like so far. thanks for reminding me.

Evan is his son.

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nimh wrote:

Ehm, jp, I'm not gonna do ALL your homework ...

I was inquiring more why others feel this way about him. I wasn't looking for someone to do homework for me. Ever since the Dem convention people here have been calling for Obama and I am merely asking why they are. You pointed to a link, I read it, but didn't find much of consequence. Nobody has yet to actually tell me what they think is so great about the guy besides a couple of good speeches. I am merely questioning their reasoning.

<shrugs>

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Maybe those specific people could come around and enlighten you. I like him but don't know if I'd pull for him just yet. Are you sure it wasn't just people pining for a candidate that had some charm, or out of frustration for the candidates we were left with? You know, sort of like, "Bill the Cat for president!"

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

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Cheney vs. someone else (Obama, I dunno, someone)

A little off topic, but I've been hearing the call for Obama as pres since the Dems convention last election. But what does anybody know about him besides one good speech at the convention? What makes everybody think he would make such a good pres already?

I actually don't think he should run yet, and have said so before. I think the cocaine admission in his book will really hurt him.

I tossed off his name as someone who I respect in a general way.

I know a great deal about him because I lived in Illinois when he was campaigning. (I moved just before the 2004 elections.) He has a combination of a lot of good factors.

One of the best is his positivity. He is a very energizing, uplifting speaker -- he makes people believe that things can be better and that he can help that happen. He doesn't only talk that talk, but walks it. While he was campaigning against Alan Keyes, and Keyes was vehemently anti-homosexual, the Obama campaign knew that Keyes' daughter was lesbian, but didn't do anything about it. (She came out after the election.)

More here:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1184000#1184000

(That starts a discussion of how Obama knew but didn't do anything with the info several posts down...)

I think a positive, energizing, charismatic leader is just what the Dems... nay, America needs. I am very impressed with how he is paying his dues now in the Senate, working hard and getting things done.

Basically, I agree he is too young, too green, but have been keeping a close eye on him and am impressed with everything I've seen. I just fervently hope that the cocaine thing doesn't torpedo his chances. (He wrote a memoir and mentions trying -- and not liking -- cocaine.)

Here's more about him and what he's been doing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

(Didn't know his middle name before!!! As if the last name wasn't bad enough...)

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This is another very good article:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040531fa_fact1

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

nimh wrote:
Ehm, jp, I'm not gonna do ALL your homework ...

I was inquiring more why others feel this way about him. I wasn't looking for someone to do homework for me. Ever since the Dem convention people here have been calling for Obama and I am merely asking why they are. You pointed to a link, I read it, but didn't find much of consequence. Nobody has yet to actually tell me what they think is so great about the guy besides a couple of good speeches. I am merely questioning their reasoning.

<shrugs>

jp

It's rather more than a couple of good speeches...the fellow is a particularly fine orator and writer. It is evident that he has taken Lincoln to model from but few have the intelligence or the personal presence to pull that off. And it isn't just in speeches where these unique talents show up, but in off-the-cuff venues such as Senate hearings and interviews.

But the Lincoln analogy goes one important step further. His ethnicity too is an important consideration. In a very real sense, it will take an African American presidency to fulfill Lincoln's promise.

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BBB
I kind of like Joe Biden because he is so solid in his understand of domestic and foreign policy issues. He's one of the few that I think has a chance of getting us out of the Iraq mess, probably not with honor, though.

The history of the US is not very honorable when it comes to keeping our promises of support to those revolting against dictators. We've betrayed people by the thousands, leading to massive death among them.

I wouldn't take the US's word on a lot of issues. It's word is unreliable. That's part of the problem in Iraq. Just ask the Shiites in Iraq about George H.W. Bush's word in the first war as only one example.

BBB

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jpinMilwaukee wrote:

Nobody has yet to actually tell me what they think is so great about the guy besides a couple of good speeches. I am merely questioning their reasoning.

<shrugs>

Its just that it gets kinda annoying to hear - and this happens often enough - one or the other candidate dismissed with a, "well, we don't even know anything about what he actually stands for yet". Ehm, if you dont you should be able to find out easily enough; not having done so doesnt actually say anything about the candidate.

I guess I'm reacting to an echo from the Presidential campaign last year here, where one of the favourite tacks was to go, "yeah but where are Kerry's SOLUTIONS? Does he actually propose anything? What does he stand for?!" Ehm, there were loads of actual proposals there - he may have lacked a vision thing, but no shortage of wonky policy details. Yet it was seriously (and succesfully) used to dismiss him: "what is he even proposing, does anybody even know what his plans for the country are, huh?". Ehm, you can find out if you go look it up, you know?

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