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Why Fox News doesn’t want to air the truth about Jan. 6

 
 
Reply Tue 7 Jun, 2022 09:27 pm
Hayes: Why Fox News doesn’t want to air the truth about Jan. 6

Chris Hayes: “Trump has what Nixon and Joe McCarthy did not: A major news network that will run
interference for the ex-president in real time. And Fox has apparently decided that the best way to
shield Trump from the embarrassing truth the Jan. 6 committee will reveal in its hearings is to
simply not cover them at all.”


Published June 7, 2022


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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 12:28 am
@bulmabriefs144,
I think you'll find there are plenty of good people at any protest that turns violent, but they aren't news, as no one truly cares why good people are good - the news is the violence, and/or why the violent people were violent.

That said, not covering a major hearing like this really is odd. As a newsworthy item - something like this would be at the very top of the pile.People can attribute whatever reason they like to it, but given the damage the evidence is 'likely' to do to Trump's reputation, and the pro-Trump slant of Fox News...it really does come across like them burying their head in the sand and saying 'if I can't see it, it can't hurt me'...

I don't live in the US, and I don't have a big stake in this - it is more a matter of interest given how much the events in the US can hurt democracy (in my only partially informed view)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 02:45 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:


Hayes: Why Fox News doesn’t want to air the truth about Jan. 6

Chris Hayes: “Trump has what Nixon and Joe McCarthy did not: A major news network that will run
interference for the ex-president in real time. And Fox has apparently decided that the best way to
shield Trump from the embarrassing truth the Jan. 6 committee will reveal in its hearings is to
simply not cover them at all.”


Published June 7, 2022


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwDuJykXSTE[/youtube]


The best thing FOX...or any apologist for Trump can do with regard to these hearings...is to run from them with all the speed they can muster.

FOX is doing just that.

Running away like it is the plague.

And it IS THE PLAGUE for them.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 05:41 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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Yeah, it takes one to know one buddy. That is straight up conspiracy theory.

That's not the definition of a "conspiracy".

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The left screams that it is "the most violent insurrection EVER"...

Citation? Show me where one person has screamed this.

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That some 200 or 300 ppl lost their lives in 9/11 terrorism.

That wasn't a protest or an insurrection.

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So yeah "the most violent ever" ignoring that the French Revolution...

The executions you refer to were carried out by the government of the country – that's not a protest or an insurrection.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 11:02 am
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

. . . I am a self-admitted conspiracy theorist convinced in no less than three conspiracies. . .

You left one out.
bulmabriefs144 wrote:


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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 11:28 am
@bulmabriefs144,
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OP here is delusional enough to think that one channel can control the entire narrative.

Show me where he said that.

Looks like The Last American Vagabond didn't bother including the context of the story and simply parroted Russian propaganda:

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The mannequin challenge

To understand the propaganda machine in action, you only have to look at what happened when the White Helmets posted their version of the mannequin challenge, a viral internet video trend where people would film themselves frozen mid-action. The rescue group filmed themselves in a staged rescue and shared the video on social media with the hashtag #MannequinChallenge.

The video, posted in November 2016 by the Revolutionary Forces of Syria Media Office, was immediately stripped of its context and reshared as evidence that the organisation uses “crisis actors” in staged rescues designed to make the Russian and Syrian armies look bad.

Here is the White Helmets caught faking a rescue after a fake attack. https://t.co/T8xzX6kKtM
— ms_knowital (@ms_knowital) April 9, 2017

One Twitter user, retweeted hundreds of times, stated: “Unbelievable! Must watch video showing White Helmets fakery.”

RT reported on the incident, including some of the tweets, and cited Beeley as an independent researcher asserting that the video fuelled suspicion around the “already questionable credibility” of the organisation. The following day Beeley wrote a story on 21st Century Wire in which she argued that the video caused “widespread doubt, even among diehard supporters, as to the veracity of their much edited slick video reports”.

The White Helmets later issued an apology, saying they had hoped the viral video would create a connection between the horror or Syria and the outside world, but acknowledged it was an “error of judgement”..

“It was a stupid thing to do,” said Eliot Higgins, founder of the investigative reporting collective Bellingcat, “but it was then completely misused by people who have an agenda.”

A year on and the White Helmets’ mannequin challenge video is still widely circulated as evidence that they stage rescues.

There have, however, been isolated rogue actors within the White Helmets who are used to discredit the entire group. One former White Helmet was fired after he was filmed assisting armed militants in disposing of the mutilated corpses of pro-Assad fighters, and others have been photographed with guns despite marketing themselves as unarmed. There is also footage of White Helmets taking a body away from an execution carried out by rebel militants, which critics claim shows they are “assisting” executions.

“These are isolated incidents at the volunteer level – there has never been any kind of incident involving anyone in the leadership,” added Saleh, the White Helmets leader, looking down at his phone as he received a breaking news notification about a British politician resigning over sexual harassment allegations. “No one is saying that the government of the UK is a predatory organisation just because of this one incident.”

Meanwhile, Beeley’s influence continues. In April 2017, she gave a talk at a conference alongside ministers in Assad’s cabinet (who spoke via video conference) titled “White Helmets: Fact or Fantasy?” Her briefing paper and slides on the topic were then submitted to the UN security council and UN general assembly by the Russian government as “evidence” against the White Helmets.

“These leaked documents offer cast-iron proof that the Russian government is doing what it can to elevate Vanessa Beeley as a key player in its propaganda campaign,” said James Sadri, executive director of the Syria Campaign. “A blogger for a 9/11 truther website who only visited Syria for the first time last year should not be taken seriously as an impartial expert on the conflict.”

The Guardian contacted Beeley several times asking for comment and she declined to respond to specific queries, saying that the questions put to her were “a disgrace” containing “no relevant facts and are reminiscent of a McCarthyite interrogation”.

The Guardian also contacted Eva Bartlett, who said she had “no interest in participating in your quite evidently already-decided ‘story’ (an odd term for a journalist to use for an article)”.

Shortly after the requests for comment, Beeley appeared on a 40-minute-long YouTube programme in which she discussed the emailed requests for comment and criticised the Guardian’s coverage of Syria, alleging “faux reporting” based on footage provided by “al-Qaida affiliates” the White Helmets. Beeley said that the “majority consensus” was that the White Helmets were a fraudulent terrorist organisation.

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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 12:34 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:

Why do you think I know this? Because I am a self-admitted conspiracy theorist convinced in no less than three conspiracies:
1. The Earth is flat, and much like a snowglobe, I'm not certain what exists outside it is real.
2. ...

That's a really interesting one. There is a whole lot of easily observed evidence that the Earth is round, things you could easily do on your own. That's why the ancient Greeks and Chinese knew the Earth was round, they could see it. Is there some level of evidence that you could find for yourself that would convince you that the Earth is not snow globe shaped?
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 01:02 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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As though a single news station can possibly monopolize "the truth about Jan 6."

No one's talking about a single news station monopolizing the truth. The point here was that one station has decided not to cover a story, a very prominent story which that very media outlet glamorized and defended its participants.

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There is Fox News' version of the truth. There is CNN's version of the truth.

That's bullshit. You argue as if reality were a smorgasbord of different facts, ideas, and events and we simply have the luxury of choosing which of these are true. Fox News won't run the hearings because they have a massive audience which would be turned off by the coverage and they'd lose their audience share and advertising revenue. You forgot about the money.

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Only delusional people think they know truth from news.

So you think everything people hear or read from news media is a lie? And then you post crap from sources like The Last American Vagabond as if you were exempt from the delusions of the common people!

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They just literally showed how easily fake news can be made.

Movies do this all the time. It's called "entertainment". Hoaxes have a long history, well before computers. It's not unusual for hoaxes, swindles, and the delusions of crowds to be the subject matter of plays, books, and movies.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 01:26 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
Are you nuts? Confused
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 01:28 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
In that case, everyone all over Flat Earth would experience sunrise and sunset at the same time, right? They would also have the same length day, so people in NY on a summer day would have the same amount of daylight as someone in Miami, right?
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 02:07 pm
@engineer,
Just as the Earth is one big dome, there is also a range of perception surrounding us. We can see only a few miles ahead of us, hear around us in a certain range, etc, etc, etc. The sun is only visible to us when it is in range of us. When it passes out of our range of sight, it "dips" in the sky. It dips because it vanishes into the horizon, it arcs away from us.



He deals with the problem of sunsets in about 10 minutes, you don't have to watch the full 40 minutes. But it's interesting and has alot of charts and models which I don't need in order to believe what I believe.

He uses a hot air balloon as model. When directly overhead, it would be 90 degrees. The further in front of us, the smaller the angle is required (85, 80, 75, 60, etc). Then it disappears from our sight. At a certain point, it blends with the horizon, then the sky darkens, and it is gone.
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 02:36 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
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It's only "entertainment" if we suspend our disbelief. Not when we get swept up in the narrative.

Suspension of disbelief is what allows us to be swept up in the narrative.

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If the news tells us that aliens are attacking and we buy it, then the news has successfully manipulated our perception of reality.

No it hasn't. We've merely been snookered. Our perception of reality had nothing to do with it – we didn't perceive attacking aliens, we heard it on the news. Big difference.

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Think of how many people believe in dinosaurs.

Our knowledge of dinosaurs is based on the fossil record. Paleontology precedes
Hollywood by a century and a half.

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What you will often see in a movie is people riding in cars/trains/planes/etc and having a moving background cut in a different frame.

So what?

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why can a media studio with expensive equipment not make us believe something is real that is not?

Because the truth (or falsity) of news stories is demonstrated over time. If a media outlet is consistently shown to produce false accounts it loses credibility and becomes a source of infotainment, like Fox news, just something that tells people what they wish to hear.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2022 03:38 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
bulmabriefs144 wrote:


To be fair, I don't trust ANY media. Which is why I stick to watching anime, and avoiding the news. People who watch the news and believe it are actual fools.


Do you believe there is a war going on in Ukraine?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 9 Jun, 2022 03:31 am
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

Are you nuts? Confused


He is nuttier than a fruit cake loaded with walnuts.
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