Watch POX news if you want real spin and slant -- it's pathetic. Or get your news from NewsPox online.
BTW, "F9/11" doesn't proport to be a news film.
If you hadn't noticed, the second Moore was even mentioned, his past efforts were brought to the debate. Bush has a lot to do with the state of our health system. If you can't see that, you need to come back from Mars.
Of course it's been discussed ad nauseum.
Who cares what the media purveys?
I just hope Moore hires some undercover people as he's now too recognizable to dredge up the best stuff on HMO's. Besides that, they might put him in a hospital bed before he gets so fat he explodes. Peter Jackson sure lost weight and he cites his hard work on "King Kong." Moore works hard on these films -- you'd think the weight would just melt off. It would give the ad hominem attackers less ammunition if he did slim down.
The health system has deteriorated drastically since Bush took office. Better look up the facts, ma'am.
Not that I don't think Clinton is completely exonerated with his over-kill national health plan. Things go creakily slow in Washington -- we don't have Presidents who can pull off something like the Civil Rights laws. The Presidency is still feeling the weakening from Watergate, Iran Contra and the feeble attempt to impeach Clinton for an unruly penis.
Of course HMOs have caused the deterioration of medical care. HMOs simply add another level of administration. which ultimately costs the patient. Years ago, the best and the brightest went to medical schools. Now that doctoring has become a hassle with HMOs, many bright young people are not going into medicine.
As a result, we have to import people from other countries to work as doctors and other medical professionals. In many cases, you have a situation where foreign doctors are not able to communicate that well with their patients, so that I would assume that there is a greater potential for mistakes being made.
Often, people on HMOs have to wait for a referral from their primary doctor to a specialist. In many cases, that wait could mean the difference between life and death.
Unappetizing? You feel the need to dine on him? Maybe some bernaise?
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Phoenix32890 wrote:Quote:It would give the ad hominem attackers less ammunition if he did slim down.
I am not one to judge people by their looks, but you have to admit that Moore does look very gross and unappetizing. I agree that if he did something about his appearance, there are people who might listen to him more carefully.
Isn't it sad that people still judge what people say by their opinions of their bodies? If no one ever saw pictures of Michael Moore and only heard his voice, would they respect his opinions more?
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The answer to that question is no. The attack on his personal appearance is a crutch since they've been unable to really discredit him by scouring for their own dubious statistics and facts. Every source will give a different picture of any given subject and will naturally give a different conclusion, even if too often so slight it's silly. The nit-picking has revealed only minor variations which they try to make more obtuse by changing the actual quote.
Lightwizard
Lightwizard wrote:The answer to that question is no. The attack on his personal appearance is a crutch since they've been unable to really discredit him by scouring for their own dubious statistics and facts. Every source will give a different picture of any given subject and will naturally give a different conclusion, even if too often so slight it's silly. The nit-picking has revealed only minor variations which they try to make more obtuse by changing the actual quote.
What you say is true, but it is still also true that most people don't like fat people and don't respect them.
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That's likely true even if they are overweight and could shatter the lense of a camera.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Of course HMOs have caused the deterioration of medical care. HMOs simply add another level of administration. which ultimately costs the patient. Years ago, the best and the brightest went to medical schools. Now that doctoring has become a hassle with HMOs, many bright young people are not going into medicine.
As a result, we have to import people from other countries to work as doctors and other medical professionals. In many cases, you have a situation where foreign doctors are not able to communicate that well with their patients, so that I would assume that there is a greater potential for mistakes being made.
Often, people on HMOs have to wait for a referral from their primary doctor to a specialist. In many cases, that wait could mean the difference between life and death.
I agree that health care in this country is deteriorating but I don't think it has anything to do with fewer young people going into medicine. I'm a student in the medical field with friends who are medical students and I can honestly say that it's not that fewer young people want to be doctors because of the HMO's or for any other reason, but it's because schools are making the programs more difficult each year to get into. They accept more people from different countries because it makes the diversity of the school more complete. We have many intelligent and bright young people in this country who can not get into med school because the programs are so difficult now to enter that most people lose heart or don't think they're good enough to be a doctor. The pressure from these programs is so intense that most people find that they can't go on. And I don't mean to say that medical programs should be easy, because they shouldn't. I just feel that just because a person may have a difficult time in one subject doesn't mean they should be thrown out of their program. Oh darn, I went off on my own little tangent again.haha Sorry!
It is not so much that Moore is overweight, it t is that he looks like a slob.
Orson Welles was grossly overweight, but he always presented himself in a neat, clean, positive manner. I was crazy about Raymond Burr, and he was probably more overweight than Moore.
Moore presents himself visually to the world with the attitude, "I don't give a sh!t about how I look", and I think that people react to that. It may be an emotional rather than an intellectual reaction, but people are prone to assess people by their appearance. You don't have to be svelte and gorgeous to give off a positive appearance. Neat and clean will do, IMO.
Moore showed up on the Tonight Show clean shaven and in a suit earlier this year. Leno was astonished. I think his looks and dress are exagerrated, again in desperation for no answers to his questions. I work in Fashion Island, one of the most upscale malls in the U.S. and people walk into the gallery constantly dressed much worse than Michael Moore. I'd say there's about one in twenty that looks well put together. Would be he could look pretentious and snobby like most of the right wing
