Well Mr. Imposter, maybe he has learned from Mr. Clinton who said, on National Prime Time television--I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Ms. Lewinsky!!
We will learn a great deal about the so called "outing" of Ms. Plame when the trial of Mr. Libby is concluded. One of the questions that are sure to be asked is:
Why didn't you indict anyone for criminally revealing Ms. Plame's identity as a CIA agent, Mr. Fitzgerald?
Or, perhaps, the issue will be adjudicated in the Plame lawsuit.
I will be on these threads when it is demonstrated that no one was "outed".
Then we shall see the "explanations" from the left.
I never really got any explanations about the fact that the Vice President was not charged for the alleged violations of meeting with Energy mavens without revealing their names.
The reason was that the left, again, tried to throw mud and it did not stick.
We shall see what occurs after the Plame suit is heard and after the LIbby trial has ended.
VALERIE PLAME AND JOSEPH WILSON. A few days later, Cheney through Libby asked the CIA to look into the matter further. The agency had no experts in Niger, so it asked a mid-level CIA veteran named Valerie Plame. She was working under "NOC" or "non-official cover" for the CIA's Directorate of Operations -- as an employee for a front called Brewster-Jennings & Associates.
Responding to inquiries from Cheney's office, the State Department, and the Defense Department, the CIA's Directorate of Operations' Counterproliferation Division (CPD) sought more information. They considered having Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, return to Niger to investigate.
Wilson had served as Deputy Chief of Mission in Baghdad between 1988 and 1991. Then he was named ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe. From there, Wilson was assigned political adviser to the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces in Europe. It was at this time that he met Valerie Plame who was living in Brussels.
In June 1977, Wilson returned to Washington to serve as senior director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. Plame moved back to the United States in part because the CIA suspected her name was leaked to the Russians. They were married on April 3, 1998. (Vanity Fair, January 2004)
Wilson left government service to open a consulting firm specializing in assisting international investment in Africa. He arrived in Niger in 1999 on behalf of the CIA with the mission of investigating "uranium-related matters" with Iraq.
One of Plame's colleagues later told Senate investigators that she "offered up his (Wilson) name for the trip. She said that her agency made the decision and she only later approached her husband on the CIA's behalf. Plame wrote a memo to a superior saying, "My husband has good relations with both the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines, both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, July 2004)
On February 19, 2002, Wilson met with officials from CIA and the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. According to a State Department intelligence analyst's notes, the meeting was convened by Plame. He said the United States embassy in Niger and European intelligence agencies had already disproved the story of an Iraqi purchase. (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, July 2004)
Despite State Department objection, the CIA decided to go ahead with the Wilson mission to satisfy the Cheney's request. Wilson was sent to CIA Headquarters in Langley, Virginia for an orientation. (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, July 2004)
One week later, Wilson arrived in Niger. After a few days of interviews, he concluded that "it was highly unlikely that anything was going on." Wilson reported back to two CIA officers at his home. Plame was present but did not participate. (Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, July 2004)
On February 24, the United States ambassador in Niger met with Marine General Carlton Fulford, deputy commander of the United States-European Command, which was responsible for military relations with sub-Saharan West Africa. Fulford then met with Niger's president and other senior officials and afterward confirmed the ambassador's earlier findings that there was no evidence of the sale of "yellowcake" to Iraq and that Niger's uranium supply was "secure."
Around the same time, Wilson met with several Nigerien officials and sources over a ten-day visit and they likewise denied the uranium charge. On March 5, Wilson returned to Washington and briefed the CIA. That information was forwarded to Rice, Powell, and Cheney.
In the spring of 2002, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld established the Office of Special Plans, under the direction of Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. Rumsfeld believed the CIA, FBI, and other agencies "failed" to find existing evidence of Iraq's WMD and Saddam's ties to al Qaeda. So Rumsfeld directed Wolfowitz to gather and interpret its own "intelligence" on Iraq.
BUSH IGNORES WARNINGS - CLAIMS SADDAM WAS ATTEMPTING TO PROCURE URANIUM FROM NIGER. The intelligence community as a whole did not put much credibility in the reports about the Niger-Iraq connection. Officials repeatedly told policy makers that these reports were not reliable. Intelligence agencies also dismissed as unreliable reports from Great Britain, which also were derived from the faulty Italian intelligence reports. (Tom Paine Common Sense, October 19, 2005)
--Angelfire.com
The administration had the benefit of three reports debunking the notion that Iraq sought yellow cake. They were from the ambassador to Niger, a marine general, and Wilson. Since this was an inconvenient truth, Bush ignored them in his speech. Thus, he lied us into a horrific war.
Facts and fiction about the yellow cake issue is
here.
BernardR wrote:The relevant passage is worth quoting at length:
a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.
b. The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible.
c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.
What you mind giving the number of that page or a link to it?
I couldn't find your "quote at length" - without having a hint - neither in the printed nor in online version of the "Review of Intelligence on Weapons of Mass Destruction".
Thank you.
Certainly,sir, go to search and type in "Who is lying About Iraq" You will find an article written by Norman Podhoretz.
If you disagree with any points in the article( he does footnote his article and does use quotes throughout it which, of course are easy to check) I would appreciate it if you could find evidence to show that his point is not true.
Thank You , Mr. Hinteler. I know you are a good enough reseacher to find the article.
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I have also replicated it in total several times and perhaps mistakenly thought that everyone knew its provenance by now!
BernardR wrote:Certainly,sir, go to search and type in "Who is lying About Iraq" You will find an article written by Norman Podhoretz.
Excuse me, BernharD, if I wrote something that led to an misunderstanding.
I didn't want an article by Pohorentz but the site(s) of your "quote in full length" from the so-called Butler report:
You will find that material in the Essay by Podhoretz along with quotes and footnotes, Mr. Hinteler!!
Read the entire essay. The sections you quoted are in there!!
BernardR wrote:You will find that material in the Essay by Podhoretz along with quotes and footnotes, Mr. Hinteler!!
Read the entire essay. The sections you quoted are in there!!
Thanks, but I rely more on the first hand, original sources (especially, when they easily to get) .... and you said above that you quoted from there.
Mr. Hinteler-I think you are wise to go to the original sources. That is always the best tactic. If you go to search and type in
Review of Intelligence on Weapons on Mass Destruction
You will access the Butler Report.
Then you must go to Page 125 of that Report to find the conclusions about the Niger Uranium story.
You will find that its conclusions are EXACTLY WHAT MR. PODHORETZ HAS IN HIS ESSAY.
I think then, you may conclude that Mr. Podhoretz is an honest essayist.
BernardR wrote: If you go to search and type in
Review of Intelligence on Weapons on Mass Destruction
You will access the Butler Report.
Then you must go to Page 125 of that Report to find the conclusions about the Niger Uranium story.
Thanks.
[As I said just a few posts above, I've both the printed version as well as the onlined report (that came out later).]
I suggest that everyone ignore Bernie until he stops spamming.
I suggest that everyone ignore Mr.Advocate until he presents evidence for the ridiculous and unsourced comments he invents.
Mr. Hinteler, May I inquire? Have you found page 125 in the Butler Report and do the conclusions on that page correspond with the material given by Mr. Podhoretz in his essay- Who is Lying About Iraq?