Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

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Sorry,anything from them is suspect.

Overgeneralizations are rarely true.

Time will tell, Tico.

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sumac wrote:

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Sorry,anything from them is suspect.

Overgeneralizations are rarely true.

Time will tell, Tico.

Did you mean to direct your comment at me?

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To both of you.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Advocate wrote:
CI, thanks for the great work bringing out the massive frauds perpetrated by the right. Their frauds are continuing and will get worse with the approach of the coming elections.

Tico has joined in the swift-boating of the Wilsons by asserting they were not damaged. This is BS. There is no doubt that the White House set out to ruin them, and succeeded in wiping out their careers. Plame's work as a covert agent ended when her cover was blown, and Joe's work as a consultant abruptly ended due to the White House leaks and misrepresentations. Now the Wilson family is endangered. I doubt that they could safely travel abroad any longer. Plame was well paid in her job serving the country, and this compensation ceased. I gather she and her husband are making essentially nothing at present, but are living on savings and retirement income. She has signed on to a lucrative book deal, but this should not be considered to mitigate damage already sustained.

I look forward to her trying to prove damages.

Yeah, I look forward to seeeing this too as it is a complete slam dunk.

Really? Are you more or less as sure of this as you were that Rove would be indicted by Fitzgerald?

The damages are a slam dunk. It doesn't even merit dicussion among the lucid. And I never said I was sure that Rove would be indicted. In reality, if Rove does escape indictment, he will have done so by the skin of his teeth. Amazing that the only thing the Bush apologists have to crow about is that his chief political advisor escaped indictment.

The entire Middle East has been stabilized by these maniacs while the apologists crow that one of the chief scumbags hasn't been indicted. Amazing!

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BTW I must point out that if one defines a win for the Wilsons as the award of a large monetary judgement, he or she might be correct in predicting winning will be difficult. I am assuming though that what the Wilsons want is to get their day in court. I think their chances for that are pretty good. Ever hear of Paula Jones?

Of course, as usual, the right-wing denilistas know they can comfortablky deny reality for months and years as it will take a long time for this to play out. Eventually, the truth, that the WH conspired to smear the Wilsons, will come out.

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If there might be any more sure a kiss of death for the prospects of the Wilsons' current stunt than the unquestioning confidence in and unqualified endorsement of the enterprise evidenced by the rabidly Bushophobic, hysterically radical left, I can't imagine what it possibly could be.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

BTW I must point out that if one defines a win for the Wilsons as the award of a large monetary judgement, he or she might be correct in predicting winning will be difficult. I am assuming though that what the Wilsons want is to get their day in court. I think their chances for that are pretty good. Ever hear of Paula Jones?

Of course, as usual, the right-wing denilistas know they can comfortablky deny reality for months and years as it will take a long time for this to play out. Eventually, the truth, that the WH conspired to smear the Wilsons, will come out.

Just like another truth that you claimed was a slam dunk,that being the Rove indictment,right?

Why dont we wait to see what will happen before anyone claims a victory,ok.

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Roxy, contrary to Tico, there is plenty in the way of material fact to be tried. The matter could be dismissed if, as a matter of law, it was clear that the plaintiffs have no possibility of winning. This is certainly not the case.

Sumac, thanks for the superb piece. Please notice that the conservatives here cannot contradict anything in it, but can only state that the author lacks credibility. The article is absolutely solid in its facts and conclusions.

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CNN "Situation Room" Transcript - Aired July 14, 2006 - 19:00 ET

Wolf Blitzer: She's arguably the country's most famous former spy, now suing Vice President Dick Cheney, among others, for allegedly blowing her cover. Valerie Plame, the woman at the center of the CIA leak case, spoke out today, along with her husband, the former U.S. ambassador, Joe Wilson. CNN's Jeanne Moos shows us how the couple's high profile news conference unfolded.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a flash bulb frenzy. After all those months of being seen but not heard, America's most glamorous former spy spoke.

VALERIE PLAME, FORMER CIA OPERATIVE: Joe and I have filed this action with heavy hearts.

MOOS: She spoke for less than a minute, but then aren't undercover agents supposed to be men and women of few words?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you?

PIERCE BROSNAN, ACTOR: Bond, James Bond.

MOOS: Bond, Jane Bond. That's how Joe Wilson has referred to his wife Valerie.

She may not know how to defuse a nuclear bomb, but she sure knows how not to bomb in a pantsuit. This ex-spy posed for "Vanity Fair," seated in the couple's Jaguar.

Valerie Plame was no Mata Hari. The World War I era dancer turned double agent used seduction as a technique.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You wouldn't do that for me?

MOOS: Mata Hari supposedly blew a kiss to the firing squad that executed her. Valerie Plame seems more inclined to kiss her husband. She told "Vanity Fair" it was love at first sight, that on their third or fourth date they were in the middle of a heavy makeout session, when she confessed to him that she was undercover with the CIA.

As female spies go, she seems more Emma Peel than...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ivana Humpalot.

MIKE MYERS, ACTOR: Excuse me?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ivana Humpalot.

MOOS: Instead of using threatening lines, like you hear in "Alias," Valerie Plame threatens legal action...

PLAME: Must answer for their shameful conduct in court.

MOOS: Angelina Jolie has nothing on Valerie Plame.

(on camera): "Time" magazine has described Plame as a crack shot with an AK-47, the best shot in her class at CIA spy school.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You've been showing big guns to (inaudible) people.

MOOS (voice-over): The necks Valerie Plame would like to wring are listed on the front of her lawsuit. Unlike spies like La Femme Nikita, La Femme Valerie even got a hot sauce named after her -- Valerie Flame hot sauce. It will blow your cover.

Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

Not even CNN can avoid playing this latest itteration of the Plame Game for the farce it is. Whatchya got here is one more in the unbroken string of the smoking guns The Left has discovered - dangling from their own fingers, pointed at the latest of self-inflicted holes in their own foot.

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The following link pretty much explains most of what anybody needs to know, to know the Valerie Plame case is much ado about not much.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203615,00.html

Say what you want about Novak, but his answers are logical and straitforward. Among those that strike me as pertinent, are:

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ROBERT NOVAK: For some years, she had been a desk-bound analyst, facing no physical threat.

Just how did Bob Novak know this to be true? Also, does this mean that our government is free to disclose all CIA agents because they have a desk job?

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Roxxxanne wrote:

And I never said I was sure that Rove would be indicted.

When you were posing as "Chrissee," you were willing to bet $25,000 that Rove would be indicted.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

BTW I must point out that if one defines a win for the Wilsons as the award of a large monetary judgement, he or she might be correct in predicting winning will be difficult. I am assuming though that what the Wilsons want is to get their day in court. I think their chances for that are pretty good. Ever hear of Paula Jones?

Paula Jones got a lot of money from Clinton. Of course most of it went to pay her attorneys. If only she had thought to beg for donations for her legal fund, like the Plames.

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Advocate wrote:

Roxy, contrary to Tico, there is plenty in the way of material fact to be tried. The matter could be dismissed if, as a matter of law, it was clear that the plaintiffs have no possibility of winning. This is certainly not the case.

You are incorrect to imply the case will only be dismissed if it's "clear that the plaintiffs have no possibility of winning." How on earth did you come up with that standard?

I sense a good many of the causes of action will not make it past the initial summary judgment motion in the matter. But before the case even gets to that point, the complaint will have to withstand a 5(b)(6) motion to dismiss for failure to state a case upon which relief can be granted.

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Sumac, thanks for the superb piece. Please notice that the conservatives here cannot contradict anything in it, but can only state that the author lacks credibility. The article is absolutely solid in its facts and conclusions.

Personally, I actually didn't read the piece. It had Leopold's name, so I knew it wasn't worth my time.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Personally, I actually didn't read the piece. It had Leopold's name, so I knew it wasn't worth my time.

Awwww ... ya shoulda read it - its an absolute hoot.

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What the hell is wrong with you guys?

Let me help you out. THIS IS BAD FOR THE COUNTRY.
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http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014713.html

Today on Hardball, MSNBC reporter David Schuster confirms that Plame was working on Iran. Crooks and Liars has the video.

"Intelligence sources say Valerie Wilson was part of an operation three years ago tracking the proliferation of nuclear weapons material into Iran. And the sources allege that when Mrs. Wilson's cover was blown, the administration's ability to track Iran's nuclear ambitions was damaged as well."

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Despite Tico & Co.'s optimistic posts, I don't think that this is a story that will just go away. On the surface it may seem like a tempest in a teapot. But, then again, Watergate was, at first, thought to be no more than a third-rate burglary attempt. And who would have predicted that Willy's Oval Office peccadilloes with a White House intern would actually lead to impeachment? What a hoot. As Amigo has suggested, the implications of the Plame outing are quite serious.

Whether or not the Wilsons deserve any financial remedy is quite another matter. But by keeping the matter before the public scrutiny they can still do much damage to this woeful administration.

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Hear, hear, MA.

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Why? WHY!?!? Do these guys always have $hit assbackwards. Made up bull$hit.

You can watch them talk and blow hot smoke up each others ass and think to yourself "what am I witnessing? Do they really believe what they are telling each other."

"Do they practice any kind of retrospection or self examination?"

Do they even really care about America or the people of the world?

or right and wrong?

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Roxxanne said...

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And I never said I was sure that Rove would be indicted.

Wanna bet?

Lets examine the record,shall we.

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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 22:23 Post: 1993855 - Countdown to Rove Indictments...

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tick...tick...tick...

How long will we have to wait though? But it is coming, bet the farm!

and this one...

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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 18:57 Post: 1995338 -

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Jason Leopold says it is a 95% probabliity

and this one...

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Latest I have been hearing is that Rove will likely be indicted within a week to 10 days.

Do you still wanna claim you never said Rove would be indicted?

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