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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:23 pm
Finally, Fitzgerald alludes to "authorization" by Libby's "superiors" - who may include President George W. Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney - who may have allowed him to disclose information about a then-classified report on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction to the media. Previous reports have indicated that Cheney and Bush are not targets of the probe.

Fitzgerald writes, "As we discussed during our telephone conversation, Mr. Libby testified in the grand jury that he had contact with reporters in which he disclosed the content of the National Intelligence Estimate ("NIE") to such reporters in the course of his interaction with reporters in June and July 2003 (and caused at least one other government official to discuss the NIE with the media in July 2003). We also note that it is our understanding that Mr. Libby testified that he was authorized to disclose information about the NIE to the press by his superiors." http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Court_filings_shed_more_light_on_0202.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:33 pm
Destroyed emails is double plus no good for the admin. Fitzgerald knows some emails were destroyed, which means that someone is squealing to him about what went on in the 12 hours between Fitz informing AG AG (hehe) not to destroy anything, and AG informing the WH not to destroy anything.

This really does look more and more like Watergate every day; the coverup...

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 12:47 pm
Cycloptichorn, I think Fitzgerald may be warning Libby that he knows some emails were deleted but not destroyed. Fitzgerald seems to have retrieved those emails. Maybe I'm reading more into it than is there but I think that Fitz is warning Libby to be careful.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:01 pm
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In the letter, Fitzgerald admits that he has been told some emails from the President and Vice President's offices have been deleted, though he cautions that "no pertinent evidence has been destroyed."


This is from my rawstory link on page 86; the actual letter from Fitz says that no evidence pertinent to the charges against Libby has been destroyed. This is a cute game that Fitz is playing; the charges against libby are quite narrow. Fitz is stating without coming out and saying it that evidence of other crimes may well have been destroyed.

Fitz either has the emails, or has the testimony of the person who deleted them, or has testimony from someone who knows what happened. Fitz may be warning Libby to be careful, but he is most definately sending a message to others at the same time.

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:05 pm
BBB
As long as the computer hard drive hasn't been destroyed or disappeared, a good tech can find anything that ever was written on it.

BBB
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:12 pm
Technically there are ways to keep this from happening, BBB (overwrite every bit on the HD seven times and you'll never find what used to be on it); the question is whether or not the guys doing the deleting knew how to really delete things or not. I think, probably not.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:13 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
As long as the computer hard drive hasn't been destroyed or disappeared, a good tech can find anything that ever was written on it.

BBB


Not if it's been wiped using currently available utilities.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:24 pm
Actually, the vast majority of those 'utilities' don't do a sufficient job of erasure. In general, it is quite difficult to completely erase information from a magnetic storage device, easier to erase some of the info, and real easy to actually erase none while giving the appearance to the average user that the info is actually erased.

This is a big deal right now in privacy/cryptography discussion circles.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:42 pm
I think it does depend on the utility and the overwriting method used, but many utilities -- those that make a minimum of 35 random overwriting passes -- are quite good.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 01:46 pm
The problem is, you see, that the entire HD couldn't be wiped clean, and most of the utilities require exactly that.

Only some emails were deleted, not all of them from that time period; so we aren't talking about a complete wipe. They would have to go piecemeal, and that is much much harder to do securely than simply shredding the drive using random passes.

I've never seen a device/program that will wipe just part of your drive clean successfully...

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 02:07 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Only some emails were deleted, not all of them from that time period; so we aren't talking about a complete wipe. They would have to go piecemeal, and that is much much harder to do securely than simply shredding the drive using random passes.


I'm not talking necessarily about emails. I have no idea whether there are any utilities to wipe individual emails.

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I've never seen a device/program that will wipe just part of your drive clean successfully...

Cycloptichorn


I use "Eraser" (LINK) and it wipes individual files using a right-click, using the Gutmann (LINK), Pseudorandom Data and US DoD 5220-22.M methods.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 02:11 pm
Hmm, I dunno. I've read and heard from a lot of people that the information isn't as erased as you think it is; just a few years ago, it was assumed that a HD that had been erased, overwritten and then burned would be unable to be recovered, but there have been successes in that area, so... I'm willing to bet that there are better utilities than there used to be, but the side of caution is no doubt the way to go.

As for the WH case, we're probably getting way too complicated here; there most likely is no computer recovery involved, merely testimony. It would be cool, but occam's razor and all that says probably not.

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 03:32 pm
Incriminating. "Iraq, Niger, And The CIA"
By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Feb. 2, 2006

Vice President Cheney and his then-Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were personally informed in June 2003 that the CIA no longer considered credible the allegations that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger, according to government records and interviews with current and former officials. The new CIA assessment came just as Libby and other senior administration officials were embarking on an effort to discredit an administration critic who had also been saying that the allegations were untrue. http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0203nj3.htm
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:28 pm
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February 02, 2006, 2:24 p.m.
Fitzgerald: Was Any Damage Done By the Valerie Wilson Leak? I Don't Know.
The CIA leak prosecutor refuses to turn over evidence to Lewis Libby.


Watchers of the CIA leak investigation are buzzing over a series of letters between prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and lawyers for former Cheney chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. In the letters, contained in motions filed recently by Libby's defense team and released by the court, Fitzgerald steadfastly refused to reveal whether he has any evidence that Bush administration officials violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the Espionage Act, or any other law by revealing the identity of CIA employee Valerie Wilson.

Libby is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice in the leak investigation, but Fitzgerald has so far not alleged that anyone acted illegally by revealing Wilson's identity. In the letters, which give outsiders a glimpse of the intense behind-the-scenes maneuvering going on in the case, Libby's lawyers asked Fitzgerald to turn over evidence that might point toward such an underlying crime. Fitzgerald refused.

In a December 14, 2005, letter to Fitzgerald, Libby's lawyers asked for "Any assessment done of the damage (if any) caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee." In the same letter, Libby's team asked for "All documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003 and July 14, 2003." (Those dates mark the period in which some Bush-administration officials discussed Wilson with reporters.)

Fitzgerald declined both requests. "A formal assessment has not been done of the damage caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, and thus we possess no such document," he wrote in a January 9, 2006, response. In any event, Fitzgerald argued, "we would not view an assessment of the damaged caused by the disclosure as relevant to the issue of whether or not Mr. Libby intentionally lied when he made the statements and gave the grand jury testimony that the grand jury alleged was false."

On the question of Wilson's status, Fitzgerald wrote, "We have neither sought, much less obtained, 'all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003 and July 14, 2003.'" Although Fitzgerald said that "if we locate" such documents, he might turn them over, he argued that he has no responsibility to do so, because they are not relevant to the perjury and obstruction of justice prosecution.

In a later letter, dated January 23, 2006, Fitzgerald went further, refusing to provide information about whether Wilson was an undercover agent during the last five years. Referring to a 1963 Supreme Court decision in Brady v. Maryland, which requires prosecutors to turn over evidence that might point toward the defendant's innocence, Fitzgerald wrote, "We do not agree that if there were any documents indicating that Ms. Wilson did not act in an undercover capacity or did not act covertly in the five years prior to July 2003 (which we neither confirm nor deny) that any such documents would constitute Brady material in a case where Mr. Libby is not charged with a violation of statutes prohibiting the disclosure of classified information."

Fitzgerald's January 23 letter also referred to a conflict between the two sides over the actions of Valerie Wilson's husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson. "You demand access to all documents referencing Mr. Wilson's 2002 trip to Iraq," Fitzgerald wrote to Libby's lawyers in what is apparently a mistaken reference to Joseph Wilson's 2002 trip to Niger that became the focus of contention after his wife's CIA employment was made public. Prosecutors will not turn it over, Fitzgerald wrote. "The relevance of Mr. Wilson's 2002 trip is the fact that it occurred and that it became a subject of discussion in spring 2003. What took place during that trip is not relevant to the issue of whether Mr. Libby lied about his spring 2003 conversations with various reporters and government officials about Mr. Wilson's wife's employment at the Central Intelligence Agency."

Still, Fitzgerald wrote that his office will turn over "all documents in our possession reflecting conversations involving defendant Libby about Wilson's trip, or meetings Mr. Libby attended during which Mr. Wilson's trip was discussed." Fitzgerald also wrote that he does not expect to call Wilson to testify at the Libby trial.

So far, there has been little attention paid to Fitzgerald's statements on the possibility of underlying crimes in the CIA leak case. Instead, much attention has focused on a paragraph at the end of Fitzgerald's January 23 letter in which Fitzgerald wrote that "We have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system." That statement has fueled much speculation on left-wing blogs that some sort of cover-up has taken place and that the White House has destroyed evidence in the leak investigation. In all the documents made public so far, however, Fitzgerald has not suggested that that has happened.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:38 pm
Nice roundup, Thanks Tico.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 08:48 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Only some emails were deleted, not all of them from that time period; so we aren't talking about a complete wipe. They would have to go piecemeal, and that is much much harder to do securely than simply shredding the drive using random passes.


I'm not talking necessarily about emails. I have no idea whether there are any utilities to wipe individual emails.

Quote:
I've never seen a device/program that will wipe just part of your drive clean successfully...

Cycloptichorn


I use "Eraser" (LINK) and it wipes individual files using a right-click, using the Gutmann (LINK), Pseudorandom Data and US DoD 5220-22.M methods.


But does it find and wipe all the other areas on the drive with the same information. There are a lot of ways that that file could end up scattered around the hard drive, a resave, temporary backups by Word, scratch disk.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 2 Feb, 2006 09:01 pm
parados wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Only some emails were deleted, not all of them from that time period; so we aren't talking about a complete wipe. They would have to go piecemeal, and that is much much harder to do securely than simply shredding the drive using random passes.


I'm not talking necessarily about emails. I have no idea whether there are any utilities to wipe individual emails.

Quote:
I've never seen a device/program that will wipe just part of your drive clean successfully...

Cycloptichorn


I use "Eraser" (LINK) and it wipes individual files using a right-click, using the Gutmann (LINK), Pseudorandom Data and US DoD 5220-22.M methods.


But does it find and wipe all the other areas on the drive with the same information. There are a lot of ways that that file could end up scattered around the hard drive, a resave, temporary backups by Word, scratch disk.


Right .... good point.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 3 Feb, 2006 11:00 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_on_go_ot/cia_leak

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 12:44 pm
A formerly secret opinion released by the US DC Circuit Court of Appeals reveals that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney told prosecutors that the Vice President had informed him directly of the identity of Valerie Plame, at the center of the CIA leak investigation.
The opinion, initially a part of the court's February 15, 2005 ruling that reporters Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper could be held in contempt for failing to testify before a grand jury, supports the indictment against Libby, which accuses him of lying about where he learned of Plame's identity.
The order for its release came as a result of a petition by media company Dow Jones & Co. The court did not release the entire opinion, however, keeping portions that relate to the special prosecutor's ongoing investigation secret .

From the New York Times: New Details Revealed on C.I.A. Leak Case
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Feb, 2006 12:59 pm
It does make you wonder why Karl Rove is still working at the WH since revelations to the press of classified information is "very serious."
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