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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 09:46 am
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
btw i do recall that none of the 911 hijackers were iraqi, while 17 of them were saudi


Are you saying we should've attacked Saudi Arabia?


are you saying we should have attacked iraq because of saudi arabians attacked the US?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 10:03 am
kuvasz wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
btw i do recall that none of the 911 hijackers were iraqi, while 17 of them were saudi


Are you saying we should've attacked Saudi Arabia?


are you saying we should have attacked iraq because of saudi arabians attacked the US?


No. Are you in the habit of answering a question with a question?
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 10:34 am
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
btw i do recall that none of the 911 hijackers were iraqi, while 17 of them were saudi


Are you saying we should've attacked Saudi Arabia?


are you saying we should have attacked iraq because of saudi arabians attacked the US?


No. Are you in the habit of answering a question with a question?


Why do you ask?

:wink:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 10:39 am
kuvasz wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
... Are you in the habit of answering a question with a question?


Why do you ask?

:wink:


Do I have a thread for you. Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:02 am
It would probably have been far more justified to attack SA than Iraq.

But this is off-topic, so back to the topic:

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Bob Novak: Bush knows who leaked CIA officer's identity

Thursday, December 15, 2005; Posted: 9:43 a.m. EST (14:43 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Columnist Bob Novak, who first published the identity of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, says he is confident that President Bush knows who leaked Plame's name.

Novak said that "I'd be amazed" if the president didn't know the source's identity and that the public should "bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is."

Novak's remarks, reported in the Raleigh, North Carolina, News & Observer, came during a question and answer session Tuesday after a speech sponsored by the John Locke Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer urged Bush to identify Novak's source or to say that he does not know who it is.

In 2003, Novak exposed Plame's identity eight days after her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of manipulating prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat. In the column disclosing Plame's CIA status, Novak said the sources for his column were two administration officials.

The identity of Novak's sources has been one of the secrets in the CIA leak investigation.

Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, is one of Novak's sources, according to people close to the investigation, but his other source is not publicly known.

Novak apparently is cooperating with the criminal investigation of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, though the journalist has never said so.

The prosecutor has aggressively pursued contempt of court orders against reporters who have refused to cooperate and Novak is not among those who have become embroiled in court battles in the probe.

Schumer, D-New York, urged Bush to share the identity of Novak's sources if the president knows.

"You are in a position to clear this matter up quickly," Schumer said in a letter to the president on Wednesday.

"Unlike Mr. Novak, who can claim an interest in maintaining the confidentiality of his sources, there is no similar privilege arguably preventing you from sharing this information," Schumer wrote.

"You have repeatedly suggested that you would like to get to the bottom of this affair," Schumer reminded Bush. "At one point, in 2004, you suggested that anyone who was involved in leaking the name of the covert CIA operative would be fired."

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:10 am
Fitzgerald and Novak know who "leaked" Plame's name too. Maybe the public should bug them?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:11 am
Fitz won't talk b/c he's trying to prosecute the guy. Novak has the right to 'protect his source.'

Bush has zero excuse. He's protecting whoever the leaker was b/c he doesn't care that they leaked. So he is kind of morally hollow on this one.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:12 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Fitz won't talk b/c he's trying to prosecute the guy. Novak has the right to 'protect his source.'

Bush has zero excuse. He's protecting whoever the leaker was b/c he doesn't care that they leaked. So he is kind of morally hollow on this one.

Cycloptichorn


"Ongoing investigation" ... same excuse as Fitzgerald's.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:20 am
Except for that fact that Bush should be doing everything he can to aid the investigation. He has a responsibility to do so.

He should call Fitz up and tell him what he knows; and he should tell the American people what he knows as well. I gather he has done neither.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:30 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Except for that fact that Bush should be doing everything he can to aid the investigation. He has a responsibility to do so.

He should call Fitz up and tell him what he knows; and he should tell the American people what he knows as well. I gather he has done neither.

Cycloptichorn


Fitzgerald already knows who Novak's other source is. He heard it from Novak's lips when he testified before the grand jury.

How would Bush's revelation of that name to the public -- if he knows it -- aid in the investigation?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 11:49 am
It would aid the public. The only reason there is an investigation in the first place is b/c either Bush's underlings weren't truthful to him, or he wasn't truthful to America.

Presumably the best thing Bush could do would be to tell all he knows about the subject, publicly; the best for America, that is. It would allow us to make judgements fairly. It would be disastrous for his administration; which is exactly why he won't do it. Because what is best for the country has nothing to do with Bush or his actions.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:15 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It would aid the public.


Nonsense.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:18 pm
Nonsense? You're saying it wouldn't aid the public to know which members of the Admin were leakers? It wouldn't aid the public to have the president actually be truthful and forthcoming?

How so?

Cycloptichorn
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:18 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
How would Bush's revelation of that name to the public -- if he knows it -- aid in the investigation?


It could have benefitted the American taxpayer. Someone's paying for that investigation - and s/he lives in the United States.

Speaking up <if he knows the info of course> could have, perhaps, had a positive impact on the public's rating of him and his colleagues. Perhaps not.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:22 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Nonsense? You're saying it wouldn't aid the public to know which members of the Admin were leakers? It wouldn't aid the public to have the president actually be truthful and forthcoming?

How so?

Cycloptichorn


There is an ongoing investigation. It does not aid the ongoing investigation to give news conferences concerning the subject of the investigation.

It would only possibly aid the public in their thirst for information, and their inability to be patient until the investigation has completed.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:23 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
How would Bush's revelation of that name to the public -- if he knows it -- aid in the investigation?


It could have benefitted the American taxpayer. Someone's paying for that investigation - and s/he lives in the United States.


And the investigation would be ongoing even if Bush were to come out tomorrow and announce the name of Novak's second source.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:32 pm
Then let me put it this way.

If I were an American taxpayer, I'd be annoyed with anyone whose actions led to expenses such as the Fitzgerald investigation.

I'd think positively of anyone who presented information which would allow the investigation to be completed more quickly - and burned up less of my money.

I don't like government spending my money unnecessarily.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 12:37 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Then let me put it this way.

If I were an American taxpayer, I'd be annoyed with anyone whose actions led to expenses such as the Fitzgerald investigation.

I'd think positively of anyone who presented information which would allow the investigation to be completed more quickly - and burned up less of my money.

I don't like government spending my money unnecessarily.


American taxpayers get annoyed for a lot of things. For instance, I'm annoyed that I'm having to help pay $3.1 Billion so some people can live below sea level. Talk about spending money unnecessarily.

"American taxpayers" aren't annoyed that Bush isn't revealing Novak's second source -- if he knows it. (After all, the investigation is going on right now, and whether or not the general public knows the name of the second source -- a name that the investigator already knows -- will have zero effect on when the investigation ends.)

But the anti-Bush folks certainly are.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 01:07 pm
If Bush came and said tomorrow he knows who the source is then it would mean that he has not been truthful when he claims to want to get to the bottom of it as much anyone else.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

Quote:
He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 15 Dec, 2005 01:09 pm
revel wrote:
If Bush came and said tomorrow he knows who the source is then it would mean that he has not been truthful when he claims to want to get to the bottom of it as much anyone else.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/30/wilson.cia/

Quote:
He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."


If he came in tomorrow and said he knew the source, why would you assume he knew it when he made that statement in 2003? Just fond of jumping to conclusions?
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