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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:06 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I understand that you lawyers have 7 shades of truth. I don't. And as long as Luskin isn't in court, he can lie about anything that he wants and not get disbarred. We aren't talking about testimony, we're talking about a leak to the media about the case.

It's a luskin lie because Luskin is undoubtedly one of the people 'close the situation.' He's been using that same angle for months now. Just using a little lie, sorry, 'zealous defense' of his client in order to make some political hay.

Cycloptichorn


I understand you will call virtually anything a "lie," whether it resembles a lie or not ... but especially if it is said by someone who does not agree with your political views.

I highly doubt that Luskin is one of the people "close to the situation," since the reporter stated Luskin refused to comment.

But again, how is a "leak" -- assuming that's what this is -- a "lie"? Does "leak" = "lie" in your view?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:17 pm
No, a leak doesn't equal a lie. The 'lie' is that v. Novak's testimony would exonerate Rove.

And the notion that Luskin isn't the source of claims that V. Novak is helpful to Rove's defense is ridiculous; of course he, or someone in his employ, is the source of those claims. He just didn't want to go 'on the record,' and why should he? The point gets across just the same, and when it is revealed as a lie, he doesn't look as bad. The anonymous sourcing policy of major papers really kills me.

Sorry if I don't presume that Luskin, or anyone who would defend Rove, is a nice, upstanding person.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:27 pm
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n a statement released by the Republican National Committee on Wednesday, Luskin said Rove has testified "fully and completely" on the issue on "several occasions" and has turned over any documents the special prosecutor requested. Rove shared his "full recollection about the brief phone call" from Cooper, which was supposed to be about a story Cooper was preparing on welfare reform.

"Cooper's truthful testimony today will not call into question the accuracy or completeness of anything Rove has previously said to the prosecutor or the grand jury," Luskin said. "Rove has cooperated completely with the special prosecutor, and he has been repeatedly assured he is not a target of the investigation. Rove has done nothing wrong. We're confident that he will not become a target after the special prosecutor has reviewed all evidence."


Luskin is certainly putting out spin to try to benefit his client. If Rove as reported did not first tell investigators about his conversations with Cooper I don't know how a person could say his statements were complete.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:32 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
No, a leak doesn't equal a lie. The 'lie' is that v. Novak's testimony would exonerate Rove.


If Luskin has a belief that Novak's testimony will exonerate his client, how is that a lie? Maybe it will ... maybe it won't. I've presented many a defense in court that was not successful. That does not mean my argument lacked merit, and certainly does not mean it was a "lie."

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And the notion that Luskin isn't the source of claims that V. Novak is helpful to Rove's defense is ridiculous; of course he, or someone in his employ, is the source of those claims. He just didn't want to go 'on the record,' and why should he? The point gets across just the same, and when it is revealed as a lie, he doesn't look as bad. The anonymous sourcing policy of major papers really kills me.


Maybe someone in his employ is the source of the leak. I don't know, and nor do I care. The point is, it is not evident there is any lie being told by Luskin, or by the two anonymous sources, whoever they may be.

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Sorry if I don't presume that Luskin, or anyone who would defend Rove, is a nice, upstanding person.

Cycloptichorn


No, it appears you presume whomever defends Rove is NOT a nice, upstanding person.

The fact that you believe the character of the client defines the character of the attorney, demonstrates that you really don't know what you are talking about. I've represented many persons who I did not personally like, nor did I agree with what they did, and certainly not with what they were charged with. This is true with nearly every lawyer in the world. But criminal defendants are entitled to a legal defense, whether the client is guilty or not, and it is absurd for you to call into question the integrity of an attorney simply based upon his client. [/soapbox]
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:42 pm
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No, it appears you presume whomever defends Rove is NOT a nice, upstanding person.


Probably not, no.

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But criminal defendants are entitled to a legal defense, whether the client is guilty or not, and it is absurd for you to call into question the integrity of an attorney simply based upon his client.


No, it isn't absurd. A lawyer who knows his client is guilty and gets him off anyways is in my mind just as guilty as his client.

And I really don't want to argue with you on this, because I really don't care what you have to say about it.

Back to Luskin:

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If Luskin has a belief that Novak's testimony will exonerate his client, how is that a lie? Maybe it will ... maybe it won't.


The word 'belief' sure comes up a lot when you guys defend liars. They believed they were telling the truth, so it wasn't a lie. Right.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 01:52 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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No, it appears you presume whomever defends Rove is NOT a nice, upstanding person.


Probably not, no.


How good of you to acknowledge your bias.

Cyclops wrote:
Tico wrote:
]But criminal defendants are entitled to a legal defense, whether the client is guilty or not, and it is absurd for you to call into question the integrity of an attorney simply based upon his client.


No, it isn't absurd. A lawyer who knows his client is guilty and gets him off anyways is in my mind just as guilty as his client.


You inject into this discussion a new variable ... "A lawyer who knows his client is guilty." How many lawyers do you know who "know" their clients are guilty? Beyond that, you apparently hold the belief that guilty persons are not entitled to a legal defense. How enlightened.

Cyclops wrote:
And I really don't want to argue with you on this, because I really don't care what you have to say about it.


Fine ... keep your anti-lawyer bias. It helps to define who you are.

Cyclops wrote:
Back to Luskin:

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If Luskin has a belief that Novak's testimony will exonerate his client, how is that a lie? Maybe it will ... maybe it won't.


The word 'belief' sure comes up a lot when you guys defend liars. They believed they were telling the truth, so it wasn't a lie. Right.

Cycloptichorn


That is nearly the stupidest thing you said today.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 07:08 am
Plamegate's Soft Underbelly
By Phil Toler
Nov 30, 2005, 22:35 http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_20194.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 10:23 am
blueflame, Do you think Fitzgerald is on to these insiders?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:02 am
cicerone, yes I do. But what's he gonna do about it?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:07 am
blueflame1
Yeah. As usual it's all the fault of those damn Jews. The article sounds like one that could have been written in Germany in the 1930's.


Or possibly a new version of the Protocols of Zion
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:17 am
BBB
au1929 wrote:
blueflame1
Yeah. As usual it's all the fault of those damn Jews. The article sounds like one that could have been written in Germany in the 1930's.


Info re Axis of Logic:

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_100.shtml
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:25 am
BBB
The real story is that the CIA is at war with the Bush administration cabal. Revenge for trying to make the CIA the scapegoat for the Iraq war "intelligence failure" instead of the real culprit, the Cheney-Runsfeld cabal.

BBB
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:30 am
Or perhaps the CIA is at fault, and doesn't like its shortcomings being pointed out.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:31 am
BBB
Why not include the front man as part of the cabal.
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:32 am
Tico
The Buck stops "where"?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:39 am
Ideally, it stops where it should stop. If nobody else is to blame, it stops with the CIC.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:42 am
au1929
au1929 wrote:
BBB
Why not include the front man as part of the cabal.


http://www.barnum-museum.org/images/giftshop%20photos/toys/clown%20marionettes/marionette%202.jpg
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:42 am
When a team fails they fire the manager or coach as the case may be.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:44 am
au1929 wrote:
When a team fails they fire the manager or coach as the case may be.


Good luck with that.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 1 Dec, 2005 11:46 am
Yeah, The management of Bushco has failed this war miserably. Incompetence such as theirs would have been fired long ago in any other environment. Unfortunately, their incompetence are costing our parents and children's lives and 5.5 billion every month. With no plans from Bushco, we can face more injuries, deaths and billions to be spent on a war that has questionalble results.
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