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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:11 am
Blatham
Blatham, are you referring to the Media Whores who have betrayed the American people?

BBB
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:39 am
BBB...did you see the Massing piece?

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18516

It's times like these when the analysis which best matches what I see is the one from Chomsky.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:47 am
Blatham
Blaltham, thanks for the link.

Sometimes I don't know whom I'm most angry at. The Media, the Bush administration, the Congress, or half of the American voters. I guess I pissed at all of them.

BBB
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:52 am
Quote:
Thanks to mitch2k2 for tracking down the nugget that not only has Woodward been deposed, but that Fitzgerald intends to present the information to a new (already seated) grand jury.


From Hunter on DK who refers to but does not quote WSJ.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:54 am
Re: Blatham
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Blaltham, thanks for the link.

Sometimes I don't know whom I'm most angry at. The Media, the Bush administration, the Congress, or half of the American voters. I guess I pissed at all of them.

BBB


I am not pissed at Keith Olbermann. The lone voice of reason among the cable talking heads. (Now that Aaron Brwon is gone)

Can they hold open auditions to replace Rita Cosby? I swear I could do a better show than her...probably most of us could.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 12:08 pm
Nikki
Nikki, I like Keith Olbermann and Aaron Brown. Brown's loss is really sad. He had integrity, a brain and used it fairly and wisely. I hope he turns up somewhere else. Maybe on PBS?

Charley Rose and Chris Mathews have the potential of being great Media stars if only they were not in love with the sound of their own voices. Mathews drives me nuts because he's more interested in giving his opinions than listening to his guests. His constant interruption of his guests so he can yak is the height of rudeness and is so boring to viewers. He's been chastised for it, but it's compulsive with him.

BBB
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 12:17 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
My reading of the above is that prosecutors are proceeding as if a new grand jury will be seated, but it hasn't been seated yet.

What does it take to seat a grand jury? Is it entirely the prosecutor's option, or is there a process involved?


The discussion at the time of Libby's indictment was that Fitzgerald could use an existing GJ. The one he was specifically using was expiring and couldn't be continued. At any given time there are several GJs that can hear cases. Most GJs aren't for only one case.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 12:26 pm
Re: Blatham
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Blaltham, thanks for the link.

Sometimes I don't know whom I'm most angry at. The Media, the Bush administration, the Congress, or half of the American voters. I guess I pissed at all of them.

BBB


I am not pissed at Keith Olbermann. The lone voice of reason among the cable talking heads. (Now that Aaron Brwon is gone)

Can they hold open auditions to replace Rita Cosby? I swear I could do a better show than her...probably most of us could.


Yup, I love Olbermann too. Funny and bright fellow. But isn't Cosby a weird curiosity? I really am surprised they chose her to fill that spot...terrible voice and doesn't seem sharp.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 12:29 pm
BBB
Rita Cosby's voice is irritating, but it's what she was born with. It's her brain that I find so dreadful. She's another tabloid reporter and not a very good one.

Keith seems embarrased to have to introduce her at the end of his nightly show.

BBB
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 03:11 pm
Quote:
Leaks keep the ship of state afloat

By Paul K. McMasters
Ombudsman, First Amendment Center


Published: Friday, November 18, 2005

The recent revelation that for the past four years the CIA has operated a "covert prison system" in Eastern Europe for the interrogation of terrorism suspects has prompted angry demands for investigations - not of the interrogation prisons but of the leak of classified information that brought the system to light.

Shortly after Dana Priest's article appeared on the front page of The Washington Post, the CIA sent a letter to the Justice Department requesting an investigation into the leak that made the "black sites" story possible. A few days later, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert fired off a letter to the chairs of their respective intelligence committees, demanding they launch an immediate probe into the source of the leak.

They may not have far to look. On Nov. 8, CNN reported that former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott pegged the possible source of the information as someone privy to a closed-door briefing for Republican senators by Vice President Cheney.

That would not surprise veteran journalists on the nation's capital beat. They will tell you that leaks of sensitive information regularly spurt from the offices of high officials and their staffs in both the executive and legislative branches of the federal government.

As investigative journalist and government-secrecy expert Scott Armstrong has described it, "the ship of state leaks from the top."

Little noticed in the uproar over the secret-prisons leak was news that the government had ended its investigation into a leak four years ago about two classified messages intercepted by the National Security Agency on the eve of the 9/11 terror attacks. The target of inquiries by both the Justice Department and the Senate Ethics Committee: Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., a member of the intelligence committee at the time.

Then there is the long-running saga of Valerie Plame, the CIA operative exposed by sources in the White House. Lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's former chief of staff indicted for obstructing the investigation into that leak, are exploring some ominous options. They may want to compel reporters other than the three immediately involved to testify - without any of the limits agreed to by the special prosecutor in the grand jury probe.

What began as a leak has turned into a flood of alarming and unanticipated consequences for the public, the press, the courts and the federal government.

Is this any way to run a railroad, let alone the ship of state?

Why do government insiders leak sensitive information? Why do journalists grant confidentiality to such sources and then suffer painfully, including going to jail, to protect those sources?

The answer is no big secret - or rather, it's too many secrets. Over-classification of material, ever-more restrictions on unclassified information and increasingly sophisticated news-management techniques combine to allow top officials unacceptable control over information that goes out to the citizenry.

This culture of secrecy in the federal government expands every day.

For example, legislation moving quickly though the U.S. Senate right now would create a new agency called the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Agency to encourage private industry to develop countermeasures to bio-terrorism attacks or disease outbreaks.

Despite giving the agency sweeping powers and lots of money, a recipe for abuse that begs for oversight, the bill would exempt the entire agency from federal open-records and open-meetings laws. No other agency or department in the government has such an exemption, including the departments of Homeland Security and Defense and the CIA.

Over at the Environmental Protection Agency, officials are proposing dramatic changes in the frequency and scope of the Toxic Release Inventory, which has been indispensable in reducing the deadly poisons released into air, water and land. If the rules are implemented, more than 4,000 plants and facilities would no longer have to report toxic-release details and more than 2,000 communities would be denied specific information on half of the chemicals threatening their citizens.

There is a constant clamping of such restrictions on the public's need to know.

Without an elaborate system for circumventing secrecy and information management and manipulation, there would be no way or no one to hold accountable those entrusted with our government.

Without unofficial sources of information, there would be no context for the "official message."

Without government insiders who leak information to the press, which passes it on to the public, government officials' control over information flow would be near-absolute. That would threaten severe damage to the machinery of government and the promise of democracy.

Certainly, a "leak system" is ponderous, frustrating, costly and counterintuitive for a nation that values its democratic traditions. But it is absolutely essential as long as our leaders keep secrets that don't need to be kept, and as long as they can't resist putting themselves in the best light by keeping the rest of us in the dark.

Copyright © 2005 American Press Institute
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 03:17 pm
Just a quick question: Other than news there may be these "black prisons", has any evidence surfaced that they actually exist? I have not read or seen any evidence proving they actually exist. Any one?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 03:51 pm
The fact that an investigation has been called for the criminal release of classified information concerning the "black prisons" confirms it. If it isn't classified and true then there is no possible reason to investigate it.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 03:55 pm
Interesting how it's not "news" til it hits the U.S. media.
Interesting also that the U.S. media didn't seem to pick up on the coverage in other countries.
Freakin' government apologists.
The U.S. media keeps covering up covering up covering up, til they get hit in the face with slop.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 04:10 pm
Leon Panetta, on PBS last night, was very forthright regarding WH leaks as a ubiquitous means to try and get the WH's favored spin on stories.

But there are at least three species of leak: the release of info which the public would consider validly secret; the Panetta-described type - benign tips, so long as folks aren't lying about important matters; and the whistleblower type - where someone releases information desired or ordered secret with the motivation of alerting the public to things the public would not like if they knew of it.

The more shennigans are committed by a government (and the more secretive they will therefore be), the more 'leaking' of the third whistleblower sort will gain government anger.

And in those cases...fukk the government and keep the leaks coming.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 10:24 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Rita Cosby's voice is irritating, but it's what she was born with. It's her brain that I find so dreadful. She's another tabloid reporter and not a very good one.

Cosby's voice is different but it kind of grows on you in a Dusty Springfield kind of way. Like Dusty, she also has knockout looks.

Cosby also exudes empathy, a very big seller. MSNBC is sick of finishing behind Fox in the ratings, so they are going for fluff.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:10 pm
Re: BBB
kelticwizard wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Rita Cosby's voice is irritating, but it's what she was born with. It's her brain that I find so dreadful. She's another tabloid reporter and not a very good one.

Cosby's voice is different but it kind of grows on you in a Dusty Springfield kind of way. Like Dusty, she also has knockout looks.

Cosby also exudes empathy, a very big seller. MSNBC is sick of finishing behind Fox in the ratings, so they are going for fluff.


Knockout looks? To each his own I guess, but damn if I see it that way. (unless by knockout you mean she resembles a prizefighter)

I can't stand to listen to her nails-on-blackboard voice more than a few minutes.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 11:35 pm
Re: BBB
kelticwizard wrote:
Cosby's voice is different but it kind of grows on you in a Dusty Springfield kind of way. Like Dusty, she also has knockout looks.

Cosby also exudes empathy, a very big seller. MSNBC is sick of finishing behind Fox in the ratings, so they are going for fluff.


Foghorn Cosby a looker? Those four years you spent up in Attica in stir must have fu*ked you up my friend.

if MSNBC was going for fluff (and a hot chick), why did they dump debbie norvell?

cosby's show in relation to news is like astrology's relation to science. there is none.

Quick...! Aruba...! another dead blond....! to the Bat Cave Foghorn...!
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 12:24 am
I just saw a picture of her standing, and she looks like she might be a little heavy.

But all you see is her face on TV. And her face shore is purty....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/kelticwizard100/RitaCosby.jpg
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 12:42 am
http://www.filmstew.com/Users/DailyNews/10680/DeborahNorville(DimitrioKambouris).jpg

Deborah Norville
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 12:52 am
If I recall she was the babe that replaced Jane Pauly, wife of Jack? Trudeau of Doonesbury fame who got George H. W. Bush miffed with less than reverent jibes at him.
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