http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/LIES.html
http://www.gargaro.com/fantasy.html
THen there is the fact that even though Bill Clinton went off on Chris Wallace,and claimed that he had ordered the CIA to KILL OBL.
Turns out that was a lie also.
According to the CIA,Clinton never ordered them to kill OBL,but he did order them to CAPTURE OBL.
As usual MM your talking out of your ass.
Quote:In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm
As we can see it was the Republicans who were against the war on terrorism. As you conservatives know attacking Osama was only a ploy by Clinton to draw away attention from the Monica Lewinski scandal.
BTW, what did Bush do about Osama between the time he became president and 9/11.
Nothing, but he was working hard on the MDS. Didn't help us much at 9/11.
If you read the snopes website you will see that Saudi Arabia hampered the FBI's investigation of some of Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks.
Most of the 9/11 participants were from Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is financially supporting the Sunnis insurgents in Iraq, the same insurgents that are responsible for most of the killing of Americans.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235407,00.html
Saudi Arabia is the primary support of the madrases in Pakistan that teach hatred for Westerners and America. They are a source of the Teliban and Al Qaeda terrorist.
Quote:George Bush wants to sell $20 billion in high-tech military equipment to Saudi Arabia -- the source of most of the financing, and 15 of the 19 hijackers, for the Sept. 11th terrorist attacks.
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/58608/
Maybe Saudi Arabia will need those weapons after we attack Iran. After all Iran is as much a threat to the world as Saddam Hussein was when we attacked Iraq and saved the Middle East.
From mm's link: .
NUMBERS GAME
It's the season to cut government, or at least to claim to, so we perked up when we heard President Clinton declare in his State of the Union address that he had cut (quote) more than 100,000 positions from the federal bureaucracy in the last two years alone (unquote).
As they say in detective work, interesting - if true. So we decided to pull out the new federal budget to check. What we discovered is that Mr. Clinton isn't lying, but he isn't telling the whole truth either. His speeches need an asterisk.
From 1993 to Fiscal Year 1996, the Clinton Administration will in fact have cut the federal government by 157,000 full-time positions. But there's a catch: 131,000 of those positions are civilian Defense jobs. Those cuts reflect the inevitable post-cold War decline in military spending, not some brave retrenchment in the overall size of government.
There's another catch: Of the 26,000 positions to be cut from the non-Defense side of Leviathan, 9,500 come from the Resolution Trust Corp. and Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Those two banking agencies grew like Topsy to manage the savings and loan debacle, but are now cutting back as the bailout ends. The RTC is even supposed to go out of business this year. The bottom line is that over the course of the Clinton presidency, the non-Defense, non-S&L part of the government will cut a measly 16,500 full-time positions out of some 1.2 million. In essence the domestic government is conducting business as usual.
Mr. Clinton also says he's making the federal establishment (quote) the smallest it has been since John Kennedy was President (unquote). But again, excluding Defense, total executive branch employment will be 1,181,000 in 1996. Back in 1963, when JFK was President, total non-Defense employment was a mere 861,000. Maybe that should be the 1996 goal for Republican budget- cutters; they could say they got the idea from the President.
Are you referring to the guy who absolutely, positively guaranteed that if he was elected governor of Arkansas in 1990 he would serve 4 years? The one who said that a 4% income tax rate on the wealthiest 2% of the population would raise 165 billion dollars, reduce the deficit, and allow a middle class tax cut? The one who claimed that the republicans had killed the Lani Guinier nomination? The one who claimed that he had decided to make himself available to the draft after 4 acquaintances were killed in Viet Nam (rather than after his birthday had been drawn #311 in the draft lottery)? The one who claimed that "affirmative action "benefits white men?
Are you referring to that Clinton?
No, he said that the new gasoline tax (4 cent per gallon) would go to a deficit reduction trust fund. No such fund has been established to date... it is going to the general fund to fund their increased social programs... check it out... call the government accounting office and ask... they are stealing your money...
And I give you my word to do it without the blame game of the last twelve years of Reagan and Bush.
Good, OOPS, that lasted almost a whole day!
xingu,
what are you talking about and how does that connect with what I quoted?
Steele lost in Maryland because he is a clone of Bush, never criticizing the man. Further, as a lieutenant governor, he was part of terrible right-wing administration.
The federal government is very lean. A little over a million civilian employees in a country of about 300 million is height of efficiency.
In the fight against bin-Laden and terrorism, Clinton was stymied by the Reps at every turn. BTW, when he left office, he turned over a very detailed plan to destroy al-Qaida to Bush, who promptly trashed it.
From today's Chicago Tribune, page 3:
Plame Wilson says that the president did not keep his word. She also points to suffering by individuals and serious damage due to the leak of her ID.
Plame Wilson: President Didn't Keep Word
In Her First Interview, Former CIA Officer Speaks To Katie Couric
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Valerie Plame Wilson (CBS)
Plame Wilson On '60 Minutes'
Harry Smith speaks with Katie Couric about her exclusive "60 Minutes" interview with Valerie Plame Wilson. The ex-CIA agent discusses the fallout of having her name leaked.
"Fair Game"
by Valerie Plame Wilson
(CBS) Valerie Plame Wilson chides President Bush for not firing anyone for the leaking of her covert CIA identity, which caused a national scandal and an investigation resulting in a perjury and obstruction of justice conviction against Vice President Richard Cheney's chief of staff.
She also tells Katie Couric that she has learned of the damage that the leaking of her identity caused agents of the clandestine service and it is serious. Wilson speaks to Couric in her first interview for a 60 Minutes report to be broadcast Sunday, Oct. 21, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
Plame Wilson and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accuse the Bush administration of leaking her identity to the press as retaliation for her husband's public charge that the administration was manipulating intelligence about Iraq's weapons programs.
No one was ostensibly punished directly because of the leak, though Karl Rove, President Bush's close adviser who was involved, resigned some months later. One high administration official, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, then chief of staff for Vice President Richard Cheney, received a jail sentence for lying to investigators probing the leak.
This irks Plame Wilson. "I don't know about (President Bush knowing about the leak beforehand). But I, like most other Americans, saw President Bush say on TV that he would fire anyone from his administration found to be involved in leaking my name," she says. "It turns out the president is not a man of his word."
Plame Wilson's 20 years at the CIA put her in touch with many individuals with whom she linked up secretly while pursuing intelligence on her mission to keep rogue nations from obtaining nuclear weapons. Did she ever hear if any of these individuals suffered because of the leak of her identity? "Yes I have. That's all I can say," she tells Couric, who then asks if it was bad news. "I have heard -- I have had some news," she replies.
Asked to assess the damage to these individuals, Plame replies, "It would be serious."
Plame says the morning her identity was made public in the column of conservative newspaper columnist Robert Novak, the world's intelligence services went to work.
"I can tell you all the intelligence services in the world that morning were running my name through their databases to see, did anyone by this name come in the country? When? Do we know anything about it? Where did she stay? Who did she see?" she tells Couric. "(The leak is) very serious. It puts in danger, if not shuts down, the operations that I had worked on."
Only the CIA knows the full extent of the damage. "There was a damage report done by the CIA. I never saw it. I certainly didn't reach out to my old assets and ask them how they're doing, although I would have liked to," says Plame Wilson.
Plame Wilson has written a book, "Fair Game," published by Simon & Schuster, which like CBSNews.com, is owned by CBS Corp.
Patrick Fitzgerald is engaged to be married.
Roxy, that is a nice pic. May I call you when I visit SF?
Looks like she could use a new "push-up" bra...
Can't she find one that gives a little push all the way up to her shin?
Miller, now, now! Is there some jealousy there?
Advocate wrote:Roxy, that is a nice pic. May I call you when I visit SF?
Why? You want her to show you the rest of the pics in her photoshop collection?
LOL, get help.
L to R, Rox, Mame, Sglas, Calamity Jane, Cyc in foreground
Advocate wrote:Roxy, that is a nice pic.
For the record, this is the pic:
Ticomaya wrote:Advocate wrote:Roxy, that is a nice pic. May I call you when I visit SF?
Why? You want her to show you the rest of the pics in her photoshop collection?
Why do guys on the right feel that they have to be put-down artists? Maybe it is insecurity.
Roxxxanne wrote:LOL, get help.
L to R, Rox, Mame, Sglas, Calamity Jane, Cyc in foreground

What is your point? It's a highly photoshopped image.
Here's one that isn't.
Advocate wrote:Ticomaya wrote:Advocate wrote:Roxy, that is a nice pic. May I call you when I visit SF?
Why? You want her to show you the rest of the pics in her photoshop collection?
Why do guys on the right feel that they have to be put-down artists? Maybe it is insecurity.
Is that the same reason guys on the left are attracted to the transgendered?
Ticomaya wrote:
Is that the same reason guys on the left are attracted to the transgendered?
Did you train hitting below the belt, Tico?
Tico, you may not be a f*cking dick in real life, but you sure play one on the internet.
Cycloptichorn
Walter Hinteler wrote:Ticomaya wrote:
Is that the same reason guys on the left are attracted to the transgendered?
Did you train hitting below the belt, Tico?
You're going to have to explain your thinking here, Walter. Below whose belt do you think I'm hitting?