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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 10:13 am
This is a wonderful idea (I suggested it two years ago). Hard-nosed, non-partisan, letter-of-the-law, dedicated...perfect.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 12:00 pm
Advocate wrote:
Has anyone heard any further explanation from the Bush judge? Certainly the outing of Plame was not done by the members of the White House in conjunction with their official duties.

I noted that the judge helped Bush before with respect to the GAO suit for information from Cheney.

Okie, so you have no problem with outing a CIA spy for political purposes?

Nobody in the administration that you are so mad at outed her. She was already out, thanks to her husband, the CIA, and Richard Armitage. She and her husband were involved in a political hit game, not the administration, and that is the main reason her identity became known. Very inept and political policy by the CIA, the Wilsons, and lousy intelligence work. Their work is intelligence, not politics. You keep repeating your fallacies and I will keep repeating the truth. You've heard it how many times now, but you still don't get it.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 09:06 am
Okie, you must know by now that Armitage did work in the administration. Rove, who corroborated Plame's ID, and thus is equally guilty, certainly worked in the administration. What are you talking about?

Joe Wilson's report was accurate, and the White House later admitted this. The CIA has said a hundred times that Plame was covert.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 10:40 am
If any member of this forum has newspapers delivered regularly to their homes, you might remember that yearly the Federal Government lists the names and bonuses that the Senior Executives in the Federal Government receive. The next time those figures are released, try to see if you can find any listing of Intelligence Community employees. You won't find them, the Government does not release information on the names and agencies the Senior Executives work for. Our son tried to reach his father one day last year regarding an urgent matter. He didn't have his father's phone number and when he reached the Agency telephone operator, the operator would not confirm or deny his father's employment and would not provide even a patch thru to the phone in his office.

Anybody want to venture a WAG why that policy exists?????? When I'm in a more generous mood, I'll provide the forum with the amount of cash my agency was forced to provide to prevent one of the networks from revealing in their evening news report the name of an Agency worker who happened to be on a hijacked flight, the same one where the sailor Stiddem had already been murdered and tossed on the tarmack. The network agreed not to use the information in it's broadcast once we provided the amount of money the network said it was losing by not reporting the story.

Anybody here ever travel to unfriendly countries while on business for the Federal Government? The host country assumes that you are CIA and proceeds to monitor you as if you are. Diplomatic and Official Business passports are a red-flag when you travel. Other countries tend to pay much closer attention to Americans traveling on official business than we do.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 11:16 am
I'm sure that's been going on forever; tracking of employees traveling on diplomatic or "official" government business.

I've always had the impression that the CIA budget has always been under wraps.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 11:24 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm sure that's been going on forever; tracking of employees traveling on diplomatic or "official" government business.

I've always had the impression that the CIA budget has always been under wraps.


Yes every country in the world monitors us while we are in their country, we don't have the manpower, money or will to track foreigners in our own country.

It's not just CIA, not one of the 16 organizations that comprise the Intelligence Community publishes their budgets. And they sure as hell don't provide employee's names to anyone.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 02:56 pm
Advocate wrote:
Okie, you must know by now that Armitage did work in the administration. Rove, who corroborated Plame's ID, and thus is equally guilty, certainly worked in the administration. What are you talking about?

Joe Wilson's report was accurate, and the White House later admitted this. The CIA has said a hundred times that Plame was covert.


Ho hum, I am aware of that. That is why I qualified my description to be those in the administration that you are mad it, because that includes Rove, Cheney, and Bush, not Armitage. There is no anger or blame felt toward Armitage by the left, even though he was the leaker. Rove simply said something to the effect of "Oh you heard that too," or something to that effect, as Novak already had the information.

Again, Joe Wilson never submitted a written report, as I recall. He was debriefed and he did confirm that contacts had been made between Iraq and Niger, which strengthens instead of disproves the likelihood that Iraq was seeking to obtain yellowcake, since that is the only export Niger would have of any value to Iraq. Wilson's trip proved nothing in Niger, and in fact as far as I can tell he did no intelligence work, but somehow must have thought he knew about all the intelligence that the CIA had. Otherwise, how could he claim to be the ultimate authority on the subject, as he did in his oped column? Did his wife leak all of the intelligence work that she and the CIA had to him? If so, is that legal, and why has this man not had to answer a few questions?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 08:14 am
Advocate wrote:
Has anyone heard any further explanation from the Bush judge? Certainly the outing of Plame was not done by the members of the White House in conjunction with their official duties.


Here's the opinion, if you haven't seen it.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 08:21 pm
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 10:07 pm
Advocate, do you still believe Rove will be indicted any day now?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 10:54 pm
Fitzgerald is in Bush's back pocket; no indictment for Rove or anybody else in this administration.

No matter, they'll all be pardoned by Bush in January 2009 if they go through the trouble and found guilty.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 04:46 am
Could you fix the SF link? I am in SE Asia now but I will be back in SF Aug 3.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 09:13 am
HERE.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 07:29 pm
Talk talk talk

Senators challenge White House briefings

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WASHINGTON -- Political briefings given by Bush White House aides to high-ranking diplomats "were probably inappropriate" and should stop, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Tuesday.

The comments by Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., were in contrast to White House assertions that the private briefings were not unusual or improper.

Starting in 2001, White House political aides gave at least a half-dozen briefings to top diplomats about key congressional and gubernatorial races and Bush's re-election goals, according to documents obtained by the Senate committee.

In a January 2007 session, senior Bush adviser Karl Rove briefed six ambassadors about Democratic incumbents targeted for defeat in 2008. Another political briefing occurred after the 2002 elections at the Peace Corps headquarters, the documents said.

The diplomats were Bush appointees, several of whom had contributed heavily to the campaigns of Bush and other Republicans


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Congressional Democrats have accused the Bush administration of using other executive branch agencies for inappropriate partisan activities.

The U.S. Office of Special Counsel recently concluded that General Services Administration head Lurita Alexis Doan violated the Hatch Act when she purportedly asked political appointees to help GOP candidates in tight races.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., recently criticized top officials of the Office of National Drug Control Policy for traveling to events designed to boost Republican lawmakers in tough re-election campaigns. Waxman chairs the House oversight committee.



yap yap yap

~~~

Sometimes you have to really think hard about who you're talking to, and whether it's appropriate.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 07:38 pm
Our congress is good-for-nothings except yap yap yap...
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 09:29 am
imposter, what do you expect? Negativity and pessimism are what they campaigned on, so what else do they have to offer?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 09:30 am
errr, c.i., the article's not about Congress.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 10:03 am
But I do mean the congress; they haven't done much, but waste a whole lot of time with yap yap yap that doesn''t help the American People. That's probably the reason their performance rating is below Bush's.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 10:21 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Fitzgerald is in Bush's back pocket; no indictment for Rove or anybody else in this administration.

No matter, they'll all be pardoned by Bush in January 2009 if they go through the trouble and found guilty.


But when he indicted Libby you and others praised his independence.
So,is he independent or not?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 08:31 pm
MM, don't put up strawmen. Libby was just a minor henchman. The big boys, Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al., got passes. Fitz is a big loser.
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