Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

McGentrix wrote:

One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

oh yeah, another thing about "rich".....

rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

rich foreigner rupert murdoch buying up 38+% of the u.s. news media to directly influence politics = good. very good.

even though there was no crime involved in clinton and his sex life, the righties wail "he lied! oh dear heaven, he lied!!!!", and that is the crime he got whacked on.

libby, on the other hand.... "there was NO CRIME! why was he indicted ?!?!" "bush must pardon him now! this great american must never darken the door of the old baily! "

uhhhh, just a reminder. libby lied to the f.b.i. and anyone else that asked him a question.

i'm not at all surprised that l'il bush did a "pre-pardon" on libby. that's politics.

the real hypocrisy is trying to say that it's anything else.

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Someone pointed out that the commutation for Libby was worse than Nixon's effective commutation of Lt. Calley, who conducted the massacre at My Lai.

Libby might have put this country in grave danger of a nuclear attack by participating in the conspiracy to out Plame. Her job was to monitor nuclear proliferation in the Middle East.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

oh yeah, another thing about "rich".....

rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

rich foreigner rupert murdoch buying up 38+% of the u.s. news media to directly influence politics = good. very good.

even though there was no crime involved in clinton and his sex life, the righties wail "he lied! oh dear heaven, he lied!!!!", and that is the crime he got whacked on.

libby, on the other hand.... "there was NO CRIME! why was he indicted ?!?!" "bush must pardon him now! this great american must never darken the door of the old baily! "

uhhhh, just a reminder. libby lied to the f.b.i. and anyone else that asked him a question.

i'm not at all surprised that l'il bush did a "pre-pardon" on libby. that's politics.

the real hypocrisy is trying to say that it's anything else.

I know of no one that has stated any of the extremist crappola you have spouted in your post. How about trying to post something factual or Cyc will label you a troll.

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oliver north...

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McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

oh yeah, another thing about "rich".....

rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

rich foreigner rupert murdoch buying up 38+% of the u.s. news media to directly influence politics = good. very good.

even though there was no crime involved in clinton and his sex life, the righties wail "he lied! oh dear heaven, he lied!!!!", and that is the crime he got whacked on.

libby, on the other hand.... "there was NO CRIME! why was he indicted ?!?!" "bush must pardon him now! this great american must never darken the door of the old baily! "

uhhhh, just a reminder. libby lied to the f.b.i. and anyone else that asked him a question.

i'm not at all surprised that l'il bush did a "pre-pardon" on libby. that's politics.

the real hypocrisy is trying to say that it's anything else.

I know of no one that has stated any of the extremist crappola you have spouted in your post. How about trying to post something factual or Cyc will label you a troll.

Please point out which statements you think were extremist crappola McG. Then we will be happy to point you in the right direction to see how blind you are.

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parados wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

oh yeah, another thing about "rich".....

rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

rich foreigner rupert murdoch buying up 38+% of the u.s. news media to directly influence politics = good. very good.

even though there was no crime involved in clinton and his sex life, the righties wail "he lied! oh dear heaven, he lied!!!!", and that is the crime he got whacked on.

libby, on the other hand.... "there was NO CRIME! why was he indicted ?!?!" "bush must pardon him now! this great american must never darken the door of the old baily! "

uhhhh, just a reminder. libby lied to the f.b.i. and anyone else that asked him a question.

i'm not at all surprised that l'il bush did a "pre-pardon" on libby. that's politics.

the real hypocrisy is trying to say that it's anything else.

I know of no one that has stated any of the extremist crappola you have spouted in your post. How about trying to post something factual or Cyc will label you a troll.

Please point out which statements you think were extremist crappola McG. Then we will be happy to point you in the right direction to see how blind you are.

Pretty much everything between "oh" and "else."

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Dont tread on Me quoted what I said, McGentrix, and claimed you said it. He needs to read the posts a bit more carefully.

I am the one that said:
"One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country."

I stand by the statement. Remembering history is highly instructive in terms of revealing the motives of politicians. For example, if there was no interest in corruption with Clinton, then any claim by those same politicians now that they care about corruption except for political advantage is of course pure rubbish. And if there was no interest in Clinton pardoning criminals and terrorists for money or political gain a few years ago, then we can only assume that the sudden outcry over Bush pardoning Libby is nothing more than politics, plain and simple. It obviously is not based on any principle of right and wrong.

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Bush is obstructing justice, it is very likely that Cheney suborned perjury and that Bush and Cheney were involved in conspiring to out a CIA agent for political purposes, the greater crime is that this was all done in an attempt to cover up Bush-Cheney's fraudulent case for going to war.

Bush did not pardon Libby at this time as doing so would have eliminated Libby's Fifth Amendment protection against being forced to testify and finally tell the truth about this conspiracy.

Anyone who thinks that Libby has any chance to win his appeal is either stupid, ignorant or crazy. Or all three.

Anything Clinton may or may have not done has no relevance to this case. The Libby case is extremely complex.

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McGentrix wrote:

parados wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

oh yeah, another thing about "rich".....

rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

rich foreigner rupert murdoch buying up 38+% of the u.s. news media to directly influence politics = good. very good.

even though there was no crime involved in clinton and his sex life, the righties wail "he lied! oh dear heaven, he lied!!!!", and that is the crime he got whacked on.

libby, on the other hand.... "there was NO CRIME! why was he indicted ?!?!" "bush must pardon him now! this great american must never darken the door of the old baily! "

uhhhh, just a reminder. libby lied to the f.b.i. and anyone else that asked him a question.

i'm not at all surprised that l'il bush did a "pre-pardon" on libby. that's politics.

the real hypocrisy is trying to say that it's anything else.

I know of no one that has stated any of the extremist crappola you have spouted in your post. How about trying to post something factual or Cyc will label you a troll.

Please point out which statements you think were extremist crappola McG. Then we will be happy to point you in the right direction to see how blind you are.

Pretty much everything between "oh" and "else."

Of course, McG can't dispute anything specifically much less why? Pathetic.

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McGentrix wrote:

Pretty much everything between "oh" and "else."

I guess we can do this one point at a time..

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oh, brother, that's rich! hey, and speaking of rich, like marc rich, the guy that rightie tighties love to squeal about... i guess since rich got let off the hook, it's only right that that the lawyer who represented him, "scooter" libby should get the same, eh?

hmm.. what point is incorrect?

Libby was Rich's lawyer, so I hope you aren't claiming that is extremist...
As for the statement that libby should get off because Clinton pardoned people. Well. you HAVE made a very similar argument McG on another thread. Even you have to admit that. So, I am very unclear as to what is crappola in that first statement.

Next statement..

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rich foreigner george soros giving out cash to political groups = bad.

Are you saying it is good for soros to give cash to political groups and you have never said it was bad? Are you saying that NO rightie has every said it is bad for Soros to give money? The only crappola I see is if you are disputing this as innaccurate. I can find a bunch of statements by people on the right decrying Soros' money and how it was used.

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Dumb press
After watching a furious Keith Olbermann's outstanding comments about Bush's action, I was astonished that, for the rest of the evening, almost all of the reporters and talking heads missed the real reason Bush commuted Libby's jail sentence. It was to protect Bush and Vice President Cheney! Libby worked for Vice President Cheney, but his title is "Assistant to the President."

Bush's commutation only eliminated Libby's jail time. It didn't eliminate his conviction parole status and his ongoing appeal of the judge's decision. This means that Congress can subpoena Libby to testify, but he can invoke his 5th Amendment rights because of his ongoing appeal of his conviction.

Libby could have told prosecutor Fitzgerald the truth about Bush-Cheney-Rove roles in the Wilson-Plame retaliation and outing of a covert CIA agent. It could still happen if Libby was doing time in prison. But now, Bush has given him cover with the commutation. All of the participants just have to do is wait for the clock to run out and Libby's reward for his silence will be a Bush pardon the day before he leaves office.

If Bush had pardoned Libby now, Scooter would not have any protection against being forced to testify before Congress, maybe even truthfully, while Bush,Cheney, Rove are still in office---and subject to impeachment.

Shame! on the Press for prattling only about how Bush's action would effect elections, his ratings, his party, retrying the Wilson case, etc.

Shame! on the Press for not shouting out to the public that Bush's action continues the coverup of criminal acts.

Shame! on Bush for pretending to care about Libby and his family when he's only trying to protect himself.

SHAME!

BBB

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BBB, Spot on!

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I sent MSNBC a thank you email after I saw it online on Americablog. I missed it on TV. Keith Olberman is the Edward R. Murrow of today, speaking in a powerful voice for so many of us who see this administration for what it truly is: TOTALLY CORRUPT.

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Here are some points to ponder.

Should Libby be granted immunity by congress, he could not take the Fifth. Also, he could not take the Fifth in a civil suit.

How can Libby be subject to probation when the jail-time was commuted? The sentence of probation was in connection with the sentence of jail-time in this case.

This is all very problematic.

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Advocate

Advocate wrote:

Here are some points to ponder.

Should Libby be granted immunity by congress, he could not take the Fifth. Also, he could not take the Fifth in a civil suit.

How can Libby be subject to probation when the jail-time was commuted? The sentence of probation was in connection with the sentence of jail-time in this case.

This is all very problematic.

Libby would have to agree to accepting immunity. He has more to gain by refusing immunity, taking the 5th, and getting a pardon from Bush at the end of his term.

BBB

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Libby cannot refuse immunity. If he is immune from prosecution for the contents of his testimony, congress did not make him testify against himself, which is proscribed by the Fifth.

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Going back to what Bush said earlier on this case:

Bush welcomes probe of CIA leak
'I want to know the truth,' president tells reporters

WASHINGTON (CNN) --President Bush said Tuesday he welcomes a Justice Department investigation into who revealed the classified identity of a CIA operative.

"If there's a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is," Bush told reporters at an impromptu news conference during a fund-raising stop in Chicago, Illinois. "If the person has violated law, that person will be taken care of.

"I welcome the investigation. I am absolutely confident the Justice Department will do a good job.

"I want to know the truth," the president continued. "Leaks of classified information are bad things."

He added that he did not know of "anybody in my administration who leaked classified information."

Bush said he has told his administration to cooperate fully with the investigation and asked anyone with knowledge of the case to come forward.

U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said Tuesday the criminal investigation was launched Friday and the White House and CIA were asked to preserve all documents that might be relevant to the probe.

"The criminal division of the Department of Justice, with the assistance of the FBI as the lead investigative agency, opened a full investigation," Ashcroft said.

He said the prosecutors and agents conducting the probe are "career professionals with extensive experience in handling matters involving national security."

A department official said the decision to launch the probe was made by John Dion, a career attorney and head of the counterespionage section of the criminal division, not by a political appointee.

He lies with no limits to the damage to our government and country.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

Advocate wrote:
okie wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Imagine that... the people that don't like Bush have predictably expressed their disdain at the action of commuting Libby's sentence. What a surprise.

McGentrix, Bush commutes a sentence for a decent guy involved in a case that never even involved a demonstrable crime, and the left goes into orbit, but when Clinton pardoned how many people convicted of crimes, including people for money apparently to fund his library, and including FALN terrorists apparently to help his wife be elected in New York, not a stir amongst them. Does that not tell all we need to know?

One thing we know, the Clintons can always be used as a a comparison to use in order to show the utter and absolutely mind boggling hypocrisy of the leftist movement in this country.

I gather from the above that you feel that Bush's action is payback, and justified, for Clinton's.

Libby is not a nice guy at all. He sat back and let Judith Miller rot in jail, rather than admit that he was the protected source.

He also put Ms Wilson and other CIA operatives' lives in jeopardy by his outragous attempt to smear a political opponent.

I don't know that there were a huge number of lives risked. The CIA only added one star to their wall in that time period.

Roxxxanne wrote:

Stop the lie that there was no underlying crime. That is total bullshit as Fitzgerald pointed out when he announced the indictment.

It is quite likely that there in fact was no underlying crime. The law on outing agents is quite narrowly written.

Roxxxanne wrote:

And what Clinton did has no bearing on this.

Since the Democrats gave Clinton a pass for lying under oath, there is no reason Bush shouldn't give Libby a pass as well.

Roxxxanne wrote:

Bush is obstructing justice.

There is more evidence that Clinton obstructed justice than there ever will be that Bush obstructed justice.

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Regarding people dying due to the outing of Plame, we don't know how many foreign agents working with Plame died once her cover was blown. The countries in the ME certainly hunted them down by now.

BTW, should I ever get convicted for perjury and obstruction of Justice, I expect Bush to commute my prison sentence or pardon me.

Further, we should look into commuting the rest of Bush's time in office.

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Too bad Bush can't commute his terrible presidency. I'm looking forward to the historians that write about this incompetent, lying SOB, who screwed up this world so bad, it'll take years to recoup what he screwed up - if that's ever possible.

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