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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 09:50 am
And the tension builds. This is similar to a mystery novel where you can't wait to get to the end to find out who done it.
Could Mr. X be the elusive Cheney?
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 09:53 am
I think indictments will be issued AND Fitz will convene another Grand Jury to get to the bottom of forging documents, etc.

The right as evidenced by Ticomaya is becoming completely unhinged!!!
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:00 am
Ticomaya wrote:
parados wrote:
Clinton had intercourse with Monica? It seems that part wasn't in the Starr report anywhere. Since there is NO evidence of Clinton ever having intercourse with Monica, how can you claim a statement by CLinton denying it is a lie? Where did you find this information Tico? Or is this a slight error on your part? A "lie" perhaps to try to further your cause?


Do you think Clinton lied, parados? (I'm referring, of course, to his Paula Jones deposition testimony, which I replicated on that other thread.)


Changing YOUR statement Tico?

You stated...
Quote:
Clinton DID say he never had sexual intercourse with that woman ... We now know that to be a lie, don't we?


The fact of the matter is that there is no testimony that Clinton ever had intercourse with Monica. Any statement where he claimed not to would not be considered a lie. I see no reason to move away from your statement until we deal with the veracity of it. Later we can discusss other topics. I am curious how you think a statement that is factually true can be a lie.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:04 am
Tico
Using a cigar is not sexual intercourse. Rolling Eyes
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:12 am
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
CNN just announced that, via sources, Fitzgerald will not make any announcements today, Wednesday.


twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Merry Fitzmas, everybody!


When you put it that way, it really is almost like being a kid again and waiting, waiting, waiting for the moment when you are finally allowed to take the wrapping off that big, huge box for you that's been under the Christmas tree for so long. Laughing
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:17 am
kelticwizard wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
CNN just announced that, via sources, Fitzgerald will not make any announcements today, Wednesday.


twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Merry Fitzmas, everybody!


When you put it that way, it really is almost like being a kid again and waiting, waiting, waiting for the moment when you are finally allowed to take the wrapping off that big, huge box for you that's been under the Christmas tree for so long. Laughing


We're going to visit aunt Martha today and you can't open the present until we get back. :wink:

PS We may have to stay at Martha's for a week or two.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:26 am
Hopefully Bush will get the Christmas gift he deserves.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:33 am
ahmen.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:42 am
You didn't answer my question, parados, which specifically referred to his Paula Jones testimony. You are attempting to deflect.

But you make a good point: When dealing with Clinton, it is imperative that you are precise in your use of language. The particular phrase used by your hero was:

Slick Willie wrote:
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."


The term, "sexual relations," was defined in the Paula Jones' lawsuit as follows:

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For the purposes of this definition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes …
(1) contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to gratify or arouse the sexual desire of any person…
"Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing.


Clinton argued that because Lewinsky engaged in oral sex on him, rather than vice versa, Lewinsky had engaged in contact with one his relevant body parts, and therefore under the definition she had had sexual relations with him. He argued that he had never engaged in contact with one of her listed body parts for the purpose of sexually gratifying either him or her, so that under the definition he had not engaged in "sexual relations" with her. As Clinton understood the definition, if a man kissed a woman's breasts for the purpose of sexual gratification, that constituted "sexual relations," while allowing a woman to stimulate his private parts would not, because in that situation the woman would be engaging in sexual relations, while the man would not be. It is an absurd distinction, made by one desperate to not tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

In my view, however, he clearly lied during his sworn deposition ... after he swore under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Q. At any time were you and Monica Lewinsky alone together in the Oval Office?

A. I don't recall ...


His televised statement to the American people was another intentional misleading statement by your hero -- which you apparently do not believe to constitute a lie, even though the clear intent of his making the statement was to mislead. Since you do not consider that to be a lie, I'm curious to find the parameters upon which you would consider a statement to be a "lie."

Which gets back to my earlier question: Do you think Clinton lied in his Paula Jones' deposition?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:45 am
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ABC - the Note
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:47 am
Yes - I think Clinton lied, committed perjury, told falsehoods, criminally and intentionally hid the truth about his affairs with Ms Lewinsky.

Back when he was on trial.
Back when he was president.
Now - do you believe Bush and Cheney have lied to the American people about anything of substance?
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:56 am
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Clinton DID say he never had sexual intercourse with that woman ... We now know that to be a lie, don't we?


So, Clinton didn't lie when he made this statement?

You haven't clarified if you think this statement by you was true or not? You just glossed over it and demanded that I answer your question instead of answering mine. Oh well. The only deflection so far is you Tico. You changed the subject from YOUR statement to Clinton's testimony.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 10:56 am
snood wrote:
Yes - I think Clinton lied, committed perjury, told falsehoods, criminally and intentionally hid the truth about his affairs with Ms Lewinsky.


Well, that doesn't answer for parados, but nevetheless I'm sure that was cathartic for you.

snood wrote:
Now - do you believe Bush and Cheney have lied to the American people about anything of substance?


I've seen no evidence that they have. Would you have me assume they've lied until it's proven otherwise?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 11:00 am
parados wrote:
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Clinton DID say he never had sexual intercourse with that woman ... We now know that to be a lie, don't we?


So, Clinton didn't lie when he made this statement?

You haven't clarified if you think this statement by you was true or not? You just glossed over it and demanded that I answer your question instead of answering mine. Oh well. The only deflection so far is you Tico. You changed the subject from YOUR statement to Clinton's testimony.


I choose to not play any more games with you, parados. It is obvious that you would rather dwell on the fact that I erroneously used the word "intercourse" when I meant "relations" -- an error which I have now corrected -- than deal with anything of substance. That's fine ... don't answer my question.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 11:04 am
Denialistas like Maya will never accept the truth.

So what is going on?

This might be wishful thinking but I think Fitz is letting them twist in the wind so that they might break and come in asking for a deal. If that is a strategy, it sure is working as the WH as well as the rightwing denialistas have become completetly unhinged.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:11 pm
Since the rumor mills talked about five indictments, where's the other two besides Cheney, Rove, and Libby? I'll name the other two as the schitzophrenic GW Bush. The one that says "each life is precious," and the one that has no problem with having been responsible for killing some 100,000 innocent Iraqis.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:11 pm
Fitzgerald indictment target score card
Fitzgerald indictment target score card:

http://www.takefive.d2g.com/scorecard.pdf
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:17 pm
Re: Fitzgerald indictment target score card
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Fitzgerald indictment target score card:

http://www.takefive.d2g.com/scorecard.pdf


What? Rumsfeld isn't listed? Surely he's a strong dark-horse write-in candidate?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:25 pm
Re: Fitzgerald indictment target score card
Ticomaya wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Fitzgerald indictment target score card:

http://www.takefive.d2g.com/scorecard.pdf


What? Rumsfeld isn't listed? Surely he's a strong dark-horse write-in candidate?


The day isn't over yet. :wink:
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:30 pm
BBB
I advocate naming Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney as war criminals. They are by far the most evil and corrupt of the Bush Cabal.

Several of their underlings also should be charged with war crimes.

BBB
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