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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 06:07 pm
parados wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


All the talking heads are. Its the biggest thing since the blue dress.


MSNBC appears to have forgotten about Hurricane Wilma in its zeal to cover the "Latest on the Leak" during the entirety of its Prime Time lineup so far.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 07:07 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


Might?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 07:11 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


Might?


Have you morphed into something else yet again?
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 07:20 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


Might?


Have you morphed into something else yet again?


What are you insinuating?

Oh, thanks for the welcome.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 07:42 pm
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


Might?


Have you morphed into something else yet again?


What are you insinuating?


That twin_peaks_nikki is not your first A2K name.

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Oh, thanks for the welcome.


Sure.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 08:55 pm
On the NYT...Libby learned about Plame from Cheney...who learned it from Tenet. You cannot make me believe that Tenet did not know that Plame was undercover.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 08:57 pm
That's the reason why Bush gave Tenet a presidential award. LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 08:58 pm
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:00 pm
Is tomorrow the day?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:02 pm
I heard this week.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:48 pm
From the NYT:

October 25, 2005
Cheney Told Aide of C.I.A. Officer, Lawyers Report
By DAVID JOHNSTON, RICHARD W. STEVENSON and DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Oct. 24 - I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, first learned about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the leak investigation in a conversation with Mr. Cheney weeks before her identity became public in 2003, lawyers involved in the case said Monday.

Notes of the previously undisclosed conversation between Mr. Libby and Mr. Cheney on June 12, 2003, appear to differ from Mr. Libby's testimony to a federal grand jury that he initially learned about the C.I.A. officer, Valerie Wilson, from journalists, the lawyers said.

The notes, taken by Mr. Libby during the conversation, for the first time place Mr. Cheney in the middle of an effort by the White House to learn about Ms. Wilson's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, who was questioning the administration's handling of intelligence about Iraq's nuclear program to justify the war.

Lawyers involved in the case, who described the notes to The New York Times, said they showed that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003.

Mr. Libby's notes indicate that Mr. Cheney had gotten his information about Ms. Wilson from George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, in response to questions from the vice president about Mr. Wilson. But they contain no suggestion that either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby knew at the time of Ms. Wilson's undercover status or that her identity was classified. Disclosing a covert agent's identity can be a crime, but only if the person who discloses it knows the agent's undercover status.

It would not be illegal for either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby, both of whom are presumably cleared to know the government's deepest secrets, to discuss a C.I.A. officer or her link to a critic of the administration. But any effort by Mr. Libby to steer investigators away from his conversation with Mr. Cheney could be considered by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, to be an illegal effort to impede the inquiry.

White House officials did not respond to requests for comment, and Mr. Libby's lawyer, Joseph Tate, would not comment on Mr. Libby's legal status. Randall Samborn, a spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald, declined to comment on the case.

Mr. Fitzgerald is expected to decide whether to bring charges in the case by Friday, when the term of the grand jury expires. Mr. Libby and Karl Rove, President Bush's senior adviser, both face the possibility of indictment, lawyers involved in the case have said. It is not publicly known whether other officials also face indictment.

The notes help explain the legal difficulties facing Mr. Libby. Lawyers in the case said Mr. Libby testified to the grand jury that he had first heard from journalists that Ms. Wilson may have had a role in dispatching her husband on a C.I.A.-sponsored mission to Africa in 2002 in search of evidence that Iraq had acquired nuclear material there for its weapons program.

But the notes, now in Mr. Fitzgerald's possession, also indicate that Mr. Libby first heard about Ms. Wilson - who is also known by her maiden name, Valerie Plame - from Mr. Cheney. That apparent discrepancy in his testimony suggests why prosecutors are weighing false statement charges against him in what they interpret as an effort by Mr. Libby to protect Mr. Cheney from scrutiny, the lawyers said.

It is not clear why Mr. Libby would have suggested to the grand jury that he might have learned about Ms. Wilson from journalists if he was aware that Mr. Fitzgerald had obtained the notes of the conversation with Mr. Cheney or might do so. At the beginning of the investigation, Mr. Bush pledged the White House's full cooperation and instructed aides to provide Mr. Fitzgerald with any information he sought.

The notes do not show that Mr. Cheney knew the name of Mr. Wilson's wife. But they do show that Mr. Cheney did know and told Mr. Libby that Ms. Wilson was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency and that she may have helped arrange her husband's trip.

Some lawyers in the case have said Mr. Fitzgerald may face obstacles in bringing a false-statement charge against Mr. Libby. They said it could be difficult to prove that he intentionally sought to mislead the grand jury.

Lawyers involved in the case said they had no indication that Mr. Fitzgerald was considering charging Mr. Cheney with wrongdoing. Mr. Cheney was interviewed under oath by Mr. Fitzgerald last year. It is not known what the vice president told Mr. Fitzgerald about the conversation with Mr. Libby or when Mr. Fitzgerald first learned of it.

But the evidence of Mr. Cheney's direct involvement in the effort to learn more about Mr. Wilson is sure to intensify the political pressure on the White House in a week of high anxiety among Republicans about the potential for the case to deal a sharp blow to Mr. Bush's presidency.

Mr. Tenet was not available for comment Monday night. But another former senior intelligence official said Mr. Tenet had been interviewed by the special prosecutor and his staff in early 2004, and never appeared before the grand jury. Mr. Tenet has not talked since then to the prosecutors, the former official said.

The former official said he strongly doubted that the White House learned about Ms. Wilson from Mr. Tenet.

On Monday, Mr. Rove and Mr. Libby both attended a cabinet meeting with Mr. Bush as the White House continued trying to portray business as usual. But the assumption among White House officials is that anyone who is indicted will step aside.

On June 12, 2003, the day of the conversation between Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby, The Washington Post published a front-page article reporting that the C.I.A. had sent a retired American diplomat to Niger in February 2002 to investigate claims that Iraq had been seeking to buy uranium there. The article did not name the diplomat, who turned out to be Mr. Wilson, but it reported that his mission had not corroborated a claim about Iraq's pursuit of nuclear material that the White House had subsequently used in Mr. Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.

An earlier anonymous reference to Mr. Wilson and his mission to Africa had appeared in a column by Nicholas D. Kristof in The New York Times on May 6, 2003. Mr. Wilson went public with his conclusion that the White House had "twisted" the intelligence about Iraq's pursuit of nuclear material on July 6, 2003, in an Op-Ed article in The New York Times.

The note written by Mr. Libby will be a crucial piece of evidence in a false-statement case against him if Mr. Fitzgerald decides to pursue it, lawyers in the case said. It also explains why Mr. Fitzgerald waged a long legal battle to obtain the testimony of reporters who were known to have talked to Mr. Libby.

The reporters involved have said that they did not supply Mr. Libby with details about Mr. Wilson and his wife. Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, in his account of a deposition on the subject, wrote that he asked Mr. Libby whether he had even heard that Ms. Wilson had a role in sending her husband to Africa. Mr. Cooper said that Mr. Libby did not use Ms. Wilson's name but replied, "Yeah, I've heard that too."

In her testimony to the grand jury, Judith Miller, a reporter for The New York Times, said Mr. Libby sought from the start of her three conversations with him to "insulate his boss from Mr. Wilson's charges."

Mr. Fitzgerald asked questions about Mr. Cheney, Ms. Miller said. "He asked, for example, if Mr. Libby ever indicated whether Mr. Cheney had approved of his interview with me or was aware of them," Ms. Miller said. "The answer was no."

In addition to Mr. Cooper and Ms. Miller, Mr. Fitzgerald is known to have interviewed three other journalists who spoke to Mr. Libby during June and July 2003. They were Walter Pincus and Glenn Kessler of The Washington Post and Tim Russert of NBC News.

Mr. Pincus and Mr. Kessler have said that Mr. Libby did not discuss Mr. Wilson's wife with them in their conversations during the period. Mr. Russert, in a statement, declined to say exactly what he discussed with Mr. Libby, but said he first learned the identity of Mr. Wilson's wife in the column by Mr. Novak.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:50 pm
I believe the noose is tightening.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:52 pm
It would have to be this week. Doesn't Fitzgerald's term end on Friday?

If he hands down indictments:

A) Does his term get extended?

B) Does he do the prosecuting?

C) Can he still investigate further while the trials are going on?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 09:54 pm
I'm sure Fitzgerald would be the key witness to prove his findings to any court.
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twinpeaksnikki2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 10:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Mathews is pretty much breathless with excitement at the possibility that members of the Bush Administration might get indicted.


Might?


Have you morphed into something else yet again?


What are you insinuating?


That twin_peaks_nikki is not your first A2K name.



Why? Do I look familiar?


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 05:36 am
Quote:
It would have to be this week. Doesn't Fitzgerald's term end on Friday?

If he hands down indictments:

A) Does his term get extended?

B) Does he do the prosecuting?

C) Can he still investigate further while the trials are going on?


It is my understanding that Fitz can approve his own extensions if he needs them. And as the trial is ongoing, yes, new charges can be brought up based upon new revelations; say, people trying to save their own asses...

Take a deep breath and realize how big this is; I've been waiting a long time for this moment. Thugs, crooks, thieves and liars. It's one thing to know it, another to have them being openly accused.

'06 is going to be a slaughtering ground for Reps...

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 05:37 am
Note that this also reveals Bush as a big liar; there's never been a question of who the leaker was.... all those comments he made about 'wanting to get to the bottom of things' were all lies....

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 05:39 am
October 24, 2005
Libby's Source Was Vice President Richard Cheney -- Not Journalists

Scooter Libby has been caught in a very serious lie about the source of his knowledge that Valerie Plame Wilson was a CIA agent. He apparently testified before the grand jury that his source had been a journalist.

However, the New York Times now reports that his source was his boss, Vice President Cheney.

From this jaw-dropping article that will certainly lead in the Times tomorrow:

I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, first learned about the C.I.A. officer at the heart of the leak investigation in a conversation with Mr. Cheney weeks before her identity became public in 2003, lawyers involved in the case said Monday.
The notes, taken by Mr. Libby during the conversation, for the first time place Mr. Cheney in the middle of an effort by the White House to learn about Ms. Wilson's husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, who was questioning the administration's handling of intelligence about Iraq's nuclear program to justify the war.

Lawyers said the notes show that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003.

Mr. Libby's notes indicate that Mr. Cheney had gotten his information about Ms. Wilson from George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, in response to questions from the vice president about Mr. Wilson. But they contain no suggestion that either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby knew at the time of Ms. Wilson's undercover status or that her identity was classified. Disclosing a covert agent's identity can be a crime, but only if the person who discloses it knows the agent's undercover status.

It would not be illegal for either Mr. Cheney or Mr. Libby, both of whom are presumably cleared to know the government's deepest secrets, to discuss a C.I.A. officer or her link to a critic of the administration. But any effort by Mr. Libby to steer investigators away from his conversation with Mr. Cheney could be considered by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the case, to be an illegal effort to impede the inquiry.


This is amazing information. You may ask why?

First of all, this means that Vice President Cheney has known all along that he was Scooter Libby's source -- and whether Libby had license from him or not to try and slaughter the reputation of Joe Wilson -- CHENEY KNEW.

The entire charade of President Bush stating that he wanted to get to the bottom of who leaked Plame's name -- and who was involved -- is no longer believable at any level. Cheney would not have failed to disclose this to Bush, and Bush played along as if none of his staff were involved. They confessed nothing -- accepted no responsibilty -- until forced by Fitzgerald.

According to Scooter Libby's notes, George Tenet was the source for the information about Valerie Wilson lining up the trip -- so to speak -- for her husband, but did not necessarily include the information that she was a covert operative.

This is where things get interesting. Although Fitzgerald may not need to establish this connection, it seems increasingly plausible to TWN that Tenet and Cheney had some kind of exchange regarding Joe and Valerie Wilson. Cheney then passed off the information to Libby along with a few expletives about Wilson, implying that the @#$%@%er should be done in.

The question is how did Libby then churn up more info on Wilson without other parts of the "untrusted" bureaucracy spitting in his face or reporting his sins?

My hunch is that he went to trusted spear-carriers for Vice President Cheney -- the office and staff of Under Secretary of State John Bolton. Fred Fleitz, Bolton's chief of staff, maintained his CIA WINPAC portfolio and access as an active duty CIA staff member while he operated as Bolton's "acting" chief of staff. We know that Fleitz was a key part of the intelligence cherry-picking/stove-piping operation when it came to both the intel and policy response to various global WMD concerns -- in North Korea, Libya, Iran, and Iraq.

We also know that David Wurmser and John Hannah, who have both apparently cooperated after threats of legal action (i.e., time behind bars) with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald worked both for John Bolton's operation and the Vice President's office.

I recently consulted with a number of senior State Department officials about the level of interaction between Vice President Cheney's office and John Bolton's office -- and was informed that there was "intense" exchange between them, constant. One said that "Bolton and his team were operatives of Vice President Cheney inside the State Department establishment -- there to subvert Armitage and Powell wherever they could, and if not subvert, then there to spy on the them and report back.

TWN knows nothing more than what it speculates to be a plausible scenario. Tonight, I consulted with three senior State Department officials, one currently at the State Department and two who are now outside the Department. All three of them agreed that the scenario I have described about Fleitz being the source of information about Plame's covert WINPAC role -- and this information then passing from Fleitz and/or Bolton to Scooter Libby "is not unbelievable."

Patrick Fitzgerald does not need to prove that Fleitz and Bolton added to the information that Libby had from Vice President Cheney. It's not part of the case if Fitzgerald is focusing narrowly on discrepancies and untruthfulness in Libby's testimony -- or focusing on the act then of spreading these rumors about Plame to non-cleared members of the media.

But TWN hopes that those in the know will join me at Starbucks at Connecticut & R Streets and fill in the holes that Fitzgerald does not fill.

For now, we can know that the Vice President of the United States was neck-deep in this affair and knew it ALL along.

Fascinating and deeply, deeply disturbing.

-- Steve Clemons

Posted by steve at October 24, 2005 09:34 PM

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001026.html

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 06:16 am
twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
Why? Do I look familiar?


Eerily so.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 25 Oct, 2005 06:17 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Note that this also reveals Bush as a big liar; there's never been a question of who the leaker was.... all those comments he made about 'wanting to get to the bottom of things' were all lies....

Cycloptichorn


Yet again you are unable to resist an opportunity to accuse Bush of lying, even without a basis.
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