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Critical Race Theory: Voters versus Liberal Extremism

 
 
Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 02:52 pm
@maxdancona,
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I think Real Music might be lost. Could someone take him to a voting rights thread?

1. No, I'm not lost at all.
2. I am definitely on topic of your thread.
3. You just don't like what I am posting.
4. I'm sorry if my postings doesn't fit the narrative that you want to promote.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 02:58 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music,

This is a thread about Liberal Extremism and education. Your posts are certainly examples of liberal extremism. But I don't see how they are related to education.
Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 03:02 pm
@maxdancona,
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This is a thread about Liberal Extremism and education. Your posts are certainly examples of liberal extremism. But I don't see how they are related to education.

To understand history (good and bad) is to understand how we ended up where we are today. To acknowledge and understand our history is important when we as a society want to prevent history from repeating itself. We as a society should never run away from or forget our history. We as a society should acknowledge and learn from our history.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 03:06 pm
@maxdancona,
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I guess I disagree with your idea of "universal education" if that means that one-size fits all

Universal education in the sense that all kids are introduced to critical thinking. I would hope that the students in Arizona and Western Massachusetts would be equally curious about the world and sufficiently prepared to express doubt, ask questions, and develop their own opinions.

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You talk about students being "fed a conservative narrative which isn't universally accepted".

No, I mentioned it as the point of view of one hypothetical family and one student.
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Hopefully you recognize that there is an equivalent liberal narrative which isn't universally accepted either.

I think conservatives and liberals may accept the same historical facts but interpret them differently. So what? What harm is done by being exposed to contending political beliefs?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 03:23 pm
@hightor,
I think you and I are mostly in agreement Hightor. Present different perspectives (both liberal and conservative) and teach kids to question them (both liberal and conservative).

If that is what you are saying, then I am on board.

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Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 03:36 pm
@maxdancona,
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If you support teaching students to question Voting Rights (as they should) then I am OK with that discussion happening in a classroom. Students should hear the different voices; both historically and in the modern discussion, and they should be able to weigh the pros and cons of each side. I don't think that is what you are saying.

If you are saying that voting rights as you understand them are an absolute truth that every student should accept, then we disagree strongly.

You and I likely agree on the voting rights act. In my opinion, liberals are going to far to link modern squabbles with historical debates. I may agree with you on many policy issues, but I think the liberal narrative on the issue is a little extreme.

1. No, you don't get to tell me what I mean to say.
2. I say to teach what happen in the past, what happen along the way, and what lead up to where we are today.
3. This may prevent us from repeating mistakes of the past.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 06:25 pm
@hightor,
My daughter is taught about White Privilege. My daughter is Latina, her mother immigrated from a Latina American country. She is considered a person of color even though almost everyone thinks she is White. No one would ever consider my sons White by looking at them. They are privileged in the sense that they were born into a professional family and had a great education. One of my sons feels he faced discrimination because of the color of his skin, the other doesn't. It is complicated.

Teaching about White Privilege in Cambridge Massachusetts makes sense (although it is a little confusing in my daughters case). Cambridge has a median family income of over $100K and is 66% White. And Cambridge is politically liberal. And so my daughter is instructed on the narrative of White Privilege and as far as I can tell no one questions it It makes perfect sense to people's belief and experience.

The concept of "White Privileges" makes no sense in other communities. Take a 95% percent White town with a median income under $25,000. These people are suffering with poverty, unemployment and all of the problems of living a depressed area.

You want to tell these kids that they are "privileged" to be White? The narrative simply doesn't make sense in this context. If you are a child living in a depressed area with little economic future, your race doesn't help you much.

A political ideology that is helpful in certain contexts can not be applied in every education setting. You have to meet the students in the place where they live.
Real Music
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2021 08:10 pm
@maxdancona,

https://able2know.org/topic/296018-1
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2021 07:15 am
Local sites in Virginia published tens of thousands of conservative-skewed articles, many of them misleading or wrong, in the past 11 months

The fake news sites pushing Republicans’ critical race theory scare
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Rightwing operatives in the US are using a huge network of fake local news sites to target crucial state elections, with the sites publishing tens of thousands of conservative-skewed articles on politically charged subjects, many of them misleading or wrong, over the past 11 months.

An investigation by Popular Information, an online newsletter founded by journalist Judd Legum, found that in Virginia 28 sites, each purporting to be local news outlets and all owned by the same company, published almost 5,000 articles about critical race theory in schools.

CRT is an academic discipline that examines the ways in which racism operates in US laws and society. It is not taught in Virginia schools. But the idea of CRT has become an inflammatory call to arms, or at least to the ballot box, among the right wing.

The Virginia sites published the articles, many of which addressed spurious Republican claims about CRT threatening to dominate school curriculums, as the gubernatorial race in the state loomed.

Glenn Youngkin, a Republican, triumphed over Terry McAuliffe in the 3 November election, after he exploited concerns over teaching about race and promised to ban CRT from classrooms.

The Virginia “local news” sites, which include the Central Virginia Times and the Fredericksburg Leader, are run by Metric Media, an organization that operates more than 1,300 “community news sites” across the US and is linked to Locality Labs, both of which are overseen by Brian Timpone.

In 2020 the New York Times revealed that the two companies, along with others involved in publishing the sites, “have received at least $1.7m from Republican political campaigns and conservative groups”. The Times reported that conservative organizations were able to “order” articles from news websites owned by Metric Media and its affiliates attacking Democratic political candidates.

Metric Media and Brian Timpone did not respond to requests for comment.

Between January and November 2021, the 28 Virginia Metric Media sites published 4,657 articles about critical race theory in schools, Popular Information found.

Many of those stories were automated, referencing an online pledge to “refuse to lie to young people about US history and current events” – described by Metric Media as a pledge by educators to teach CRT. But there is no evidence on the website for the pledge that the people who have signed it are teachers.

Signees must list their city and state, and Metric Media appears to use an automated system to generate articles based on whether anyone has signed from a town or city covered by a Metric Media news outlet.

That system enables the Central Shenandoah News, which theoretically covers the area in north-west of Virginia, to run regular articles based on the same source. Last week, it ran the following two pieces:

No new teachers in Harrisonburg sign pledge on Nov. 2 to teach Critical Race Theory

No new teachers in Harrisonburg sign pledge on Nov. 1 to teach Critical Race Theory

The Central Shenandoah News has run the same version of the Harrisonburg article since August, including almost daily since the beginning of October. It has also regurgitated the format for nearby Staunton.

Timpone is an ex-journalist with a track record of operating dubious news organizations. Timpone’s predecessor to Locality Labs was a company called Journatic, which saw a licensing contract with the Chicago Tribune torn up after it published plagiarized articles and made up quotes and fake names for its writers.

Popular Information found that as well as targeting Virginia with anti-CRT articles, Metric Media has also ramped up the tactic in other states with looming governor elections.

News sites owned by the company have published 11,988 anti-CRT articles in Florida over the past 11 months, 10,096 articles in Texas, and 6,262 in Ohio. Sites claiming to represent New Hampshire have published 2,162 anti-CRT articles.

Legum said he found no evidence that any of the Media Metric sites have significant traffic or readership: “But I don’t really think that’s the purpose,” he said.

“I think that it’s more the idea of injecting something into the political conversation and giving it a more credible sheen than if you were just to put it out as an advocacy group or something like that.”

After one of the “news sites” covers a candidate or political group, that person or organization can use quotes or cite favorable coverage from the related article. Quotes from an outlet like the Central Shenandoah News could be used for online ads, tv ads, or political mail-outs.

In Virginia, Youngkin won the governorship by a little more than 60,000 votes. The fake news sites might not win an election by themselves, but in a tight race, every little bit helps.

“I think that they could have a meaningful impact. Not because necessarily they’re going to influence that many voters, but because elections are decided at the margins,” Legum said.

“So I don’t think it necessarily will reach that many people, but I do think it can make a meaningful difference, and it’s one of the things in the toolkit that could make a difference.”
Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2021 07:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
1. Thank you for posting that article.

2. I hope others take the time to read the article.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2021 07:46 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

When you tell voters that they are idiots, you lose the political argument.

Voters are saying that they are worried about what their kids are being taught in school. Particularly they are worried that anti-racist material singles out White students and separates kids into opressor and oppressed.

The Republicans are adressing these concerns. They have listened to voters and distilled their message into a single sentence involving the phrase "critical race theory".

This is politically saavy, they have kind of hijacked a liberal academic term. But more importantly Republicans are signalling voters that they are listening to their concerns.

The Democrats are responding with long winded explanations that

1) Ignore real facts and reasonable concerns from voters.

2) Are mainly geared at telling voters that they are stupid.

And that is how Democrats lose elections.


This was the Opening post of this thread. I think it fits well with Walter's article.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 12:23 pm
Traveling with "The Green Book" during the Jim Crow era.

Racism was a chilling fact of life that, in 1936, inspired "The Negro Motorist Green Book,"
a guide to businesses that welcomed African American travelers who faced being turned away
or threatened in a time of segregation. Martha Teichner talks with cultural historian Candacy
Taylor about the importance of this guide to safe travels in the Jim Crow South.


maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 03:10 pm
@Real Music,
That is history. It isn't Critical Race theory. I don't think many conservatives would object to the teaching of the Jim Crow Era.

The objection is to the idea that out society hasn't made great progress since the Jim Crow era.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 04:49 pm
@maxdancona,
Yeah. They won’t be too happy about hearing that white men are still lynching black men in broad daylight and not being arrested unless enough white people raise hell about it publicly.

That seems like it should be called Critical Race Theory.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 05:02 pm
@maxdancona,
Yeah. We should probably hush on the movie The 13th Amendment because informing Americans about the percentage of incarcerated black men compared to general black population would slap anyone in the face and awaken them to the gross systemic racial injustices that lead to infuriating minority incarceration and ‘legitimized slavery’ in America.

The power behind this fake ass, illegitimate push *against ‘CRT’* is straight up racists bastardizing a phrase for the explicit reason to make teachers afraid to teach history.

My governor is using CRT and rigid gender interpretations to remove books from school and classroom libraries right now.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 05:43 pm
@Lash,
What injustices? Black people who manage to go through life without committing crimes tend to not end up in prison.

The opponents aren't racists. They only want to prevent the teaching of stuff that isn't true to begin with.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 18 Nov, 2021 05:44 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Yeah. They won't be too happy about hearing that white men are still lynching black men in broad daylight and not being arrested unless enough white people raise hell about it publicly.

Self defense is hardly lynching. And if they didn't want people to defend themselves from them, they could always stop raping and murdering people.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2021 11:25 am
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2021 02:25 pm
@hightor,
I think that the people who say that the neonazis are equally at fault are wrong. Clearly the only people who are at fault are the progressives.

And shame on progressives for being so despicable that they are even worse than neonazis.
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