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Critical Race Theory: Voters versus Liberal Extremism

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 05:15 pm
@oralloy,
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So then what is the problem with banning the teaching of it?


While we're at it, let's ban the teaching of calculus to pupils in grade school.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 05:19 pm
@hightor,

careful now, lest someone accuses you of being 'silly'...
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 23 Nov, 2021 05:26 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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So then what is the problem with banning the teaching of it?


While we're at it, let's ban the teaching of calculus to pupils in grade school.


Hightor, could you please clarify your position.

We all agree that Calculus should be taught in school. It seems that you are arguing that critical race theory (like calculus) SHOULD be taught in "grade school".

Is that the position you are taking?
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 04:51 am
@maxdancona,
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Hightor, could you please clarify your position.


<yawn>

Calculus is not normally taught to kids in "grade school". If you don't know what "grade school" means, here is a definition:

Merriam-Webster wrote:
The meaning of grade school is elementary school.


Why aren't these kids being taught calculus in elementary school? Because the subject is difficult and requires a background in algebra which students won't achieve until later in their education. Calculus, a rather advanced mathematical field, is not relevant to elementary education, whose purpose is to provide the basics of learning and socialization.

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We all agree that Calculus should be taught in school.


But we don't all agree that calculus should be taught in "grade school".

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It seems that you are arguing that critical race theory (like calculus) SHOULD be taught in "grade school".


You completely missed the point.

There is no reason to pass a law which makes it illegal to teach calculus to elementary school students because an advanced subject like calculus is not being taught in grade school nor is it being considered as part of the curriculum.

Similarly, there is no reason to pass a law prohibiting the teaching of CRT because it is not currently being taught in secondary schools anyway. It is a subject suitable for discussion at the college level.

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Is that the position you are taking?


The fact that you immediately jump to this conclusion when, over the past nine pages, I have never said anything like this is one of the reasons I find interacting with you particularly tedious. Your "opponents" are just cardboard cutouts who must believe what you think they believe in order for them to function within your "ideological narrative©". You put words in other people's mouths and regularly misinterpret what other people write. I don't think you do this because you are devious, but more out of intellectual laziness. You presume to know more than anyone else and are dismissive of views you don't share or don't understand.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 05:18 am
@hightor,
This thing where he tries to make people explain every point to him as if he’s a three-year-old is just like the thing where he tries to make people provide more examples, proofs, and sources than he ever does.

I think it’s a big waste of time and energy, but kudos for your patience.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 06:49 am
@hightor,
Ok... There is an interesting tangent here. We do teach calculus in grade school. We don't teach the subject of calculus. But we teach the concepts of calculus in 6th, 7th and 8th grade if not earlier. Calculus deals with the rate of change of a function, and students in grade school are certainly introduced to these topics (I know this as a parent and as a former teacher).

There is no question that calculus is important. There is no question that calculus is correct. There is no question that every math student will end up employing calculus. That is why we start introducing the concepts of calculus in grade school.

If we treat Critical Race theory the same way, we get a problem. Critical Race theory is not accepted universally. It is not a place where everyone will end up or need if they continue studying.

Introducing concepts of calculus to grade school students is essential and appropriate. Introducing students to fringe political ideologies like Critical Race theory is a very different matter.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 07:28 am
@hightor,
His twenty questions routine is tiresome as it is also useless and pointless.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 08:54 am
@maxdancona,
We also teach students to be tolerant and inclusive.

According to you and your ideology, that must be stopped.

Is that the position you're stating?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 09:06 am
@neptuneblue,
The problem is when students are taught

1. Thaught that America is a fundamentally racist country.
2.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 09:20 am
@maxdancona,
That's among some the dumbest **** you ever wrote. And that's really saying something.

How do you figure the US isn't a fundamentally racist society?


25 Signs You Might Be Racist
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1. You have to precede any statement with: “I’m not racist, but…”

2. …Or follow any statement with: “But I’m not racist though.”

3. You say that there are certain races that you’re just not attracted to. No matter how you try to spin this it’s prejudice and racist. You can’t just decide an entire race of people are not attractive, unless you’ve met every single person in that group. It’s really not that hard to keep an open mind.

4. You use any variation of the n-word (either the traditional spelling or version ending with an “a”). No, you don’t get to say it because people in the black community do. You can’t reclaim a word that was never used against you. Let’s please take a moment to get over the elementary school logic that just because someone else is doing something that you can do it as well. And if it’s just a word like non-black proponents of the word would like to argue why are they so butt-butt when people tell them not to use it? It’s just a word after all.

5. You change your voice and get snappy and sassy when talking to a black woman (e.g. “HEY GURLLL!”)

6. You try to explain away your racially controversial statements by letting folks know that you have a friend in the group you commented on. Because, of course we can’t forget about the Racist-Exemption Card that’s given to people when they befriend others of a different race!

7. You refer to all Asian people as Chinese.

8. You attempt to validate prejudice against a certain group by citing negative examples of things that may have occurred in your life. How would you feel if someone looked down on you because a person that looked like you pissed them off or hurt them?

9. You were offended by the coverage and attention on the Trayvon Martin case.

10. You use the phrase, “Turning it into a race thing,” when that does nothing more than perpetuate the idea that we live in a post-racial world. It also attempts to silence discussions and debates about race, which then stops the potential for progress on a large-scale, or even in everyday life. Racism is still alive and well in this world. Instead of throwing this phrase out, people should look inward and question why they are so uncomfortable and defensive in the first place.

11. You think you have permission to touch a black woman’s natural hair…and then you actually touch it.

12. You stop pronouncing the L’s in your sentences to mimic a stereotypical Asian person.

13. You believe that there needs to be a White History Month.

14. You oppose scholarships that take race into special consideration because you think it’s unfair.

15. You try to explain away your racism by saying, “Everyone is racist.”

16. You are offended that BET (Black Entertainment Television) exists and that there’s no WET… even though in reality every channel that’s not BET is WET.

17. You are wholly convinced that Iggy Azalea and Macklemore are the best rappers out there.

18. You call every Latino/a person you see Mexican.

19. You attempt to mimic “Asian Eyes” for photos.

20. You use 9/11 to justify prejudice against persons of Middle Eastern descent.

21. You frequently refer to people of color as ghetto.

22. You were/are mad that the Human Torch of the Fantastic Four is black.

23. You don’t think White Privilege exists.

24. You oppose the potential name change of Washington’s football team, The Redskins.

25. You got really mad as you were reading this article.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 09:43 am
@maxdancona,
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The problem is when students are taught


No, the problem is when people feel the need to pass preemptive laws to prevent the teaching of subjects when there's no indication that there's any intention for those subjects to be taught. This is in response to what you said here:

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If CRT is not being taught in the K-12 grades, then what's the problem with banning it?


What if it's relevant to questions being discussed in the classroom? If any teacher happens to make a remark about racism – whether or not it has anything to do with CRT – you'll have a herd of bellowing MAGAtards calling for the teacher's dismissal. Is that what you want?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 01:47 pm
@hightor,
We have examples of things that many Americans don't want taught in classrooms.

1) That America is a fundamentally racist country.

2) That White Students are innately racist (in a way that students of color aren't) and bear guilt for things that happened in the past.

This is a thread about liberal extremism; Is there anyone where would would admit that these things shouldn't be taught in grade school?

It is unclear whether you think things things should be taught in the classroom.
Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 03:13 pm
@maxdancona,
1. So, I see you like to place blame onto "Liberal extremism" for something they did not do.

2. As far as I know, CRT is not taught in grade school.

3. The fact that CRT is not taught in grade school doesn't matter according to your reasoning.

4. I guess the fact that CRT is not taught in grade school doesn't fit the narrative that you are trying to push.

5. Your narrative is to blame "Liberal extremism" for CRT being taught in grade school, when in actuality CRT is not taught in grade school.

6. If your argument is (based) on a lie, isn't that a fallacy in itself?

7. By the way, the only reason I used the term "Liberal extremism" is because you seem to have this unhealthy fixation on that term.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 03:21 pm
@Lash,
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If this country starts banning **** that doesn’t exist to appease idiots, game over.

I agree.
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izzythepush
  Selected Answer
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 03:38 pm
Liberal Extremism is an oxymoron.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 04:25 pm
@hightor,
You ban nebulous terms so that people are afraid to stray from the glorious, rose colored history. You can teach that Washington was a pretty solid general who led the colonies to independence and his first terms in office set the baseline for the new nation, but you better not teach that he owned hundreds of slaves and counted on them for his prosperity. That's just not appropriate for high schoolers. You can teach that Jefferson was the architect of the Declaration of Independence and as the third president drove a significant expansion of the country, but not that he owned a sex slave, fathered several children on her and then enslaved his own children. You can explain that Dr. J. Marion Sims was the father of modern gynecology but don't mention that he learned by doing experiments (without pain medication) on slave women. Don't teach redlining or the Tuskegee Study or Emmett Till. You can talk about MLK, but not Malcolm X or how the FBI and local law enforcement convicted men for his killing who they knew were innocent while withholding evidence of their innocence from their defense. You can point out that the legal system worked in the conviction of Ahmaud Arbery's killers, but don't mention that the local police ignored the case for over two months and only the publication of a video shot by one of the killers led to a public outcry and their eventual arrest. It's extremist to teach that part of history. Of course those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it, but better that than making someone feel bad.
Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 04:36 pm
@engineer,
1. I believe that much of what you just posted (should) be taught in High School.

2. And even more so in college.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 04:45 pm
@engineer,
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Of course those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it

As a society, that is so true.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 04:51 pm
@engineer,
Are you teaching history, or are you teaching a political narrative. A conservative extremist can give an equivalently one-sided rant including eugenics and the abortion rights movement. A political ideology can frame history to support their beliefs, but this shouldn't happen in a grade school history class.

Especially in grade school, history should be shield from political arguments. And when it is appropriate to talk about poltical ideology the discussion shouldn't be a one sided promotion of a political ideology.
Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 24 Nov, 2021 05:09 pm
@maxdancona,
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And when it is appropriate to talk about poltical ideology the discussion shouldn't be a one sided promotion of a political ideology.

1. That is one of the points engineer had made in his last post.

2. So, I guess you at least agree with engineer on that specific point.
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