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Critical Race Theory: Voters versus Liberal Extremism

 
 
Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 07:15 am
When you tell voters that they are idiots, you lose the political argument.

Voters are saying that they are worried about what their kids are being taught in school. Particularly they are worried that anti-racist material singles out White students and separates kids into opressor and oppressed.

The Republicans are adressing these concerns. They have listened to voters and distilled their message into a single sentence involving the phrase "critical race theory".

This is politically saavy, they have kind of hijacked a liberal academic term. But more importantly Republicans are signalling voters that they are listening to their concerns.

The Democrats are responding with long winded explanations that

1) Ignore real facts and reasonable concerns from voters.

2) Are mainly geared at telling voters that they are stupid.

And that is how Democrats lose elections.
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thack45
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 01:00 pm
@maxdancona,
Does CRT "singles out White students and separates kids into opressor and oppressed"?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 01:29 pm
@thack45,
Yes it does Thack. This is a thread about what CRT means to voters.

The Republicans are acknowledging the concerns of voters about how political ideology is entering the classroom. The Democrats aren't. Successful political parties adjust their messaging to address the concerns and aspirations of the electorate. And that is what is happening.

So yes, to American voters the term "Critical Race Theory" refers to their very real concern of parents that racial ideology is entering their child's classroom in a way of which they don't approve.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 01:31 pm
@thack45,
The term "Critical Theory", of course, goes all the way back to Karl Marx (yes, it is literally Marxist). Marx claimed that his "critique of ideology" would lead to social revolution. I am not sure if this something that is relevant to the modern beliefs of American voters. But I would be happy to discuss it if you would like.

But this thread is about the concerns of the American electorate in 2021.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 01:44 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
The term "Critical Theory", of course, goes all the way back to Karl Marx (yes, it is literally Marxist).
Why "of course"?
What about Bacon, Feuerbach, Kant ...?
thack45
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:08 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The term "Critical Theory", of course, goes all the way back to Karl Marx (yes, it is literally Marxist). Marx claimed that his "critique of ideology" would lead to social revolution. I am not sure if this something that is relevant to the modern beliefs of American voters. But I would be happy to discuss it if you would like.

But this thread is about the concerns of the American electorate in 2021.



When we look at the timeline of how CRT came into general public consciousness, we see that these concerns were first created (and oft-repeated) by republicans, and only then were those concerns "addressed". And I'm gonna take a stab without knowing that the issue of CRT, as explained by republicans (or anyone for that matter), wasn't exactly exhaustive.
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thack45
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:11 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

maxdancona wrote:
The term "Critical Theory", of course, goes all the way back to Karl Marx (yes, it is literally Marxist).
Why "of course"?
What about Bacon, Feuerbach, Kant ...?


Marxism is a big scary that we can all shiver at.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Okay, all the way back to Genghis Khan. I forgot what we were talking about, but I guess one sounds as good as the other.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:25 pm
@thack45,
I know.

What I didn't know until a couple of minutes ago, however, is the genesis of the term:
The term Critical Theory was coined by Max Horkheimer in exile "for the scientific project of the Institute [for Social Research]", a research programme of an interdisciplinary materialism "developed by him". It finds its justification in Horkheimer's 1937 essay Traditional and Critical Theory, in which the author critically examines the ideal and operation of post-Copernican science and elaborates the basic features of Critical Theory as a counter-model. (The adjective "critical" here referred less to Kant's three great critiques than to Karl Marx's critique of political economy,as Horkheimer clarified in a footnote.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:30 pm
@roger,
Not really - I was only referring to philosophers. (E.g. the Baconian method as described in his Novum Organum.)
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 02:47 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

When you tell voters that they are idiots, you lose the political argument.

Voters are saying that they are worried about what their kids are being taught in school. Particularly they are worried that anti-racist material singles out White students and separates kids into opressor and oppressed.

The Republicans are adressing these concerns. They have listened to voters and distilled their message into a single sentence involving the phrase "critical race theory".

This is politically saavy, they have kind of hijacked a liberal academic term. But more importantly Republicans are signalling voters that they are listening to their concerns.

The Democrats are responding with long winded explanations that

1) Ignore real facts and reasonable concerns from voters.

2) Are mainly geared at telling voters that they are stupid.

And that is how Democrats lose elections.



This is a thread about American politics in 2021. The American voters are worried about what they call "Critical Race Theory"... namely the undue influence of a partisan political ideology on their children's education.

The Democrats just lost big races in Virginia and Pennsylvania (states that Biden won). The exit polls said that Critical Race Theory was a significant reason for voters to vote against the Democrats.

If the Democrats respond by saying that voters are ignorant, idiotic or racist, then they are missing the point. These are real concerns. The content of their children's education matters to parents.

The left is refusing to even address this issue honestly. And failure to address issues honestly is one way that Democrats lose elections.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 05:26 pm
If only OP originator had only read up a little before throwing more misinformation out there.

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is Everyone Talking About It?

Columbia Law School professors explain this method of research for legal scholars and how it’s being misunderstood.
July 01, 2021

https://news.columbia.edu/news/what-critical-race-theory-and-why-everyone-talking-about-it-0


https://news.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/styles/cu_crop/public/content/2021/Crenshaw_Thomas_Williams.jpg?itok=7k-7AbGd

Three pioneers of critical race theory are Columbia Law professors (from left to right) Kimberlé Crenshaw, Kendall Thomas, and Patricia Williams.

Critical race theory is making national news headlines, and three pioneers of this academic discipline are Columbia Law professors Kimberlé Crenshaw, Kendall Thomas, and Patricia Williams.

Republican lawmakers in more than 20 states have introduced or passed legislation that would directly target the principles underlying critical race theory by banning schools from teaching about structural racism. These efforts to demonize critical race theory are gaining traction more than a year into a national reckoning with racism, following the murders of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, and the ensuing protests.

Speaking at a conference held by the Faith and Freedom Coalition on June 18, former Vice President Mike Pence said that “critical race theory is racism.” Senator Ted Cruz, at the same gathering, compared the theory to the Ku Klux Klan saying the curriculum is “every bit as racist” as the white supremacist hate group. “Critical race theory,” the senator said, “says every white person is a racist.”

These campaigns are not just based on ignorance of how critical race theory developed and is now applied, but also represent an attempt to stoke a reactionary resistance, rather than a broader understanding.
Urgent and Necessary Work

“Critical race theory and the essential scholarship it has advanced may challenge many long-held views, but that is what makes this work so urgent and necessary,” said Columbia President Lee C. Bollinger (LAW’71). “I could not be more proud that it is taking place at Columbia. This is, after all, what makes universities such vital institutions in society.”

“In the finest tradition of Columbia Law School, our brilliant faculty were among the foundational thinkers and continue to lead the dialogue on this vital issue,” said Gillian Lester, Dean and Lucy G. Moses Professor of Law. “Their scholarship, teaching, and advocacy have illuminated the pervasive effects of structural racism in our society and in the law. That they have persisted in the face of hostility and outright falsehoods is testament to their vision and determination."

Critical race theory was a movement that initially started at Harvard under Professor Derrick Bell in the 1980s. It evolved in reaction to critical legal studies, which came about in the 70s and dissected the idea that law was just and neutral. Over time, the movement grew among legal scholars, mostly of color, at law schools across the country, including at UCLA, where Crenshaw lectured on critical race theory, civil rights, and constitutional law, and later at Columbia, where she was appointed a full professor in 1995, alongside Williams, a former student, research assistant, and lifelong mentee of Bell’s, and who is now professor of law emerita.
Critical Race Theory in the News
Catch up on what Crenshaw and Thomas have been saying in the media.

Although the scholarship differs in emphasis and discipline, it is united by an interest in understanding and rectifying the ways in which a regime of white supremacy and its subordination of people of color in America has had an impact on the relationship between social structure and professed ideals such as “the rule of law” and “equal protection.”

Put simply, according to Crenshaw, who coined the term intersectionality, which refers to how different forms of discrimination (such as sexism and racism) can overlap and compound each other, critical race theory is a way to talk openly about how America’s history has had an effect on our society and institutions today.

“We need to pay attention to what has happened in this country and how what has happened is continuing to create differential outcomes, so that we can become the democratic republic we say we are,” Crenshaw explained. “We believe in the promises of equality, and we know we can get there if we confront and talk honestly about inequality.”
Forcing Legal Scholars to Ask Questions

Critical race theory essentially forces legal scholars to ask questions, she continued. For instance, why does possession of less expensive drugs carry higher jail sentences than more expensive drugs? Could this have anything to do with the fact that more people of color are in prison?

“It is a way of looking at law’s role platforming, facilitating, producing, and even insulating racial inequality in our country, ranging from health to wealth to segregation to policing,” said Crenshaw, who is also the co-founder and executive director of the African American Policy Forum.

For those, like Senator Cruz, who say that critical race theory assigns blame to white people, that’s wrong, said Thomas, who is the Nash Professor of Law and a member of the faculty at Columbia Law School since 1984. He teaches a critical race theory workshop, among other courses, and directs the Center for the Study of Law and Culture.

"Critical race theory views race law and policy as tools of power," Thomas said. "Its focus on the politics of race has helped break the stranglehold of 'racial moralism' by challenging the egocentric belief that racism is always only about personal fault, private prejudice, and invidious individual intent. Critical race theory tells a story about institutionalized racial disadvantage and systemic racial inequality. It highlights the structural harms of the ‘colorblind racism’ we see at work in laws that don’t mention race per se."
Want to Dive Deeper?
Here are 10 essential books for those interested in critical race theory.

For parents or educators who, according to G.O.P. lawmakers, say that white children are being made to feel guilty and being taught that white people are oppressors, Thomas replied, that this “is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an idea or tenet behind critical race theory. To the contrary, critical race theory recognizes that racial inequity and exclusion hurt all Americans, whatever our race or color. In the famous Brown decision, the Supreme Court emphasized that education is the 'very foundation of good citizenship.' The families and teachers who oppose the attacks on critical race theory know that we can't censor classroom discussions about the meaning of race if we want to prepare young Americans for the responsibilities of democratic citizenship in our increasingly diverse multicultural society."

Furthermore, said Thomas, “the people behind this legislation are trying to prevent the emergence of a broad movement for multiracial democracy to address the interconnected economic, social, and political inequality that is devastating poor and working-class communities of all races in this country.”

This Is About Racial Justice

For Crenshaw, the legislative efforts are scapegoating. “The idea that anti-racism is racism against white people has got to be the oldest talking point in their playbook. There is not a thing happening today that we have not seen before, including the ascendance of racial demagoguery on the anti-democratic, authoritarian, and nationalist impulses of a population mobilized through the discourse of aggrievement,” she said.

“We saw this in the backlash against emancipation. We saw it in the successful effort to disenfranchise African Americans and purge them entirely from public life, and we saw aggressive and even violent actions justified as self-defense," she said.

What is going on today is about racial justice. “This hysteria is just that. It has nothing to do with a legal theory that has been around for decades, and that you may never have heard of until now,” Crenshaw said. “If you marched last year in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, if you have a Black Lives Matter sign on your lawn or a bumper sticker on your car, if you had diversity training at your job and now you understand how you can do better, then you support racial justice.”


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 05:43 pm
@maxdancona,
Bullshit. Marx believed that the problem with black Americans was about economics and classism. And nothing about race ...

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/lovett-fort-whiteman-black-communist-party/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 05:48 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
If only OP originator had only read up a little before throwing more misinformation out there.

Can you point out any untrue statements about critical race theory in his posts??
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 05:58 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Bobsal,

Why do you think so many voters listed "Critical Race Theory" as a primary reason for voting against Democrats in key elections on Tuesday? Clearly a significant proportion of American voters disagree with your narrative.

If your answer is some form of the idea that "voters are idiots", then that is the point of the thread.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 06:01 pm
@maxdancona,
Ill start, Langston Hughes, the ILD.
Max is never in doubt
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 06:43 pm
@maxdancona,
Certainly not because they understand the littlest bit of it.

Just because they think they know what CRT is about doesn't meant they aren't stupid enough to create alternate facts about how Marxist it is.

Where did you get YOUR information, for example? I can cite sources, can you?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 07:16 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
You are the primary source, Bobsal. This thread is about you.

There is a real concern here on the part of a significant part of Virginia voters about how political ideology is being pushed on children in public school classrooms. This is what voters mean when they talk about "Critical Race Theory".

The question is whether the Democrats will ever be able to acknowledge the concerns of these voters.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2021 07:21 pm
Let me explain it this way.

When your political opponent can explain an issue in a way that connects with voters in two or three sentences, and it takes you two or three pages to explain why they are wrong.... you are losing the political argument.

And this is why Democrats are losing elections. I predict the Democrats are going to lose badly in the 2022 midterms. They better damn well figure it out before 2024. You don't win elections by insulting voters.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2021 03:53 pm
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:

Does CRT "singles out White students and separates kids into opressor and oppressed"?


Thack, I know this is very difficult for most of us to understand. The voters who are up in arms about critical race theory have a great many crucial concerns about how their issues are not being addressed by the main stream media and wicked ultra liberal teachers—those godless harpies who deal in the disgusting ‘education’ trade — indoctrinated to suck the brains from our children notably via a pizza parlor in New Jersey.

For instance, JFK Jr., appeared at the grassy knoll only a week ago to a crowd of QANON devotees and pledged his allegiance to the newly instated President Trump who is reigning today from the White House. Why isn’t the main stream media reporting on this? You have to wonder...

Anyway. Critical race theory is not taught in school. These ******* idiots just want teachers to stop teaching the facts about the crimes against blacks, Asian, native and other American ethnic groups.

And, hi!

 

 
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