Frank Apisa wrote:
Sure!
Make it sound like you are some kind of gentleman...and only landed one kick!
We both know the truth!
The way I heard it Bernie had a bit of fun too.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=967883#967883
Quote:How many here have always wanted to slap Frank repeadly while yelling "Wake up...Wake up, damnit!" I got to do that last night.
I'll bet Momma Angel is sorry she missed out on that opportunity.
Momma Angel would never resort to violence, not even with Frank!
quite wrong mesquite, moma angle would have preyed over his body. (pronounced him dead on the scene and closed his eyes all the while looking up to heaven)
Ah Dys,
You know me so well!
I just read this article. I thank God this child was given the opportunity to live.
RICHMOND, Virginia (AP) -- A brain-dead pregnant woman who has been kept on life support for nearly three months to give her fetus more time to develop gave birth to a baby girl Tuesday, the woman's brother-in-law said.
There were no complications during delivery and the baby "is doing well," Justin Torres wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
The baby, Susan Anne Catherine Torres, weighs one pound 13 ounces and is 13 1/2 inches long, he said.
The infant was delivered via caesarean section, the hospital said.
Susan Torres, a 26-year-old researcher at the National Institutes of Health, lost consciousness from a stroke May 7 after aggressive melanoma spread to her brain.
Her husband, Jason Torres, said doctors told him his wife's brain functions had stopped.
Jason Torres quit his job to be by his wife's side, and last month her fetus passed the 24th week of development -- the earliest point at which doctors felt the baby would have a reasonable chance to survive, the brother-in-law said.
Not meaing to confuse you moma angle, I regard Frank as a dear friend. I only kicked him in the face as a means to revive him.
Oh I understand completely, Dys. I do have to admit that I have had a thought or two of using a baseball bat on him.
But, the side he showed today was a complete surprise to me and very welcome one!
And Dys, I still love your sense of humor.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Whew! I thought that I had a decent command of the English language, and communicated rather well. Apparently, if some people don't agree with me, they divine some arcane postulates, as they go along.
Hi Phoenix,
If you are referring to my reply (since I was one of the few who responded directly to your post) or someone else's, why don't you simply state what they or I said that you think is "arcane" and maybe it will be explained to you. Else why mention it at all?
Abortion is a kind of genocide.
Planned Parenthood is a big supporter of abortion rights, but don't forget Planned Parenthood's founder Martha Sanger wrote that she favored birth control and sterilization to get rid of the poor and undesirables. You can read about this in her Malthusian Population Doctrine and in the Birth Control Review- 10/1926. (The following was taken from a letter to the editor) "The next time you hear someone bragging that Sanger's Planned Parenthood provides birth control and abortion to the poor, remember this, it does so not out of any love for the poor, but because it was founded on a doctrine that holds the poor in such contempt that it hates to see them reproduce."
Many women I know who support the right to an abortion do so out of a compassion they feel towards those women whose pregnancies may present a hardship for them. I prefer not to get into arguments over that. I understand their reasoning, but I hope they can at least see beyond the euphamisms for what abortion really is. I choose life.
Rush Limbaugh said he was against abortion because it "cheapens life". He was once confronted by a pro-abortion advocate who told him that abortion was necessary to prevent a child who is terminally ill or deformed from suffering. Mr. Limbaugh told that person that life is full of suffering. Everyone suffers, we can't avoid it. If we justify abortion to avoid suffering then why should anyone bother being born at all? Life can be hard sometimes. Choosing life can mean hardship.
Designer families are possible in the U.S. With abortion people can pick and choose when to have their kids, decide on how their ages will be spaced and can rid themselves of unwanted and imperfect children by early prenatal detection of mental and physical defects. I read an article in the paper where scientists were claiming that in a few years there will be a "cure" for cystic fibrosis and other genetic diseases. This will be accomplished by the in-vitro fertilization of the egg so that the genetic make-up can be examined and any imperfect embryos can be discarded down the sink drain. Is this a "cure"? It sounds like genocide. Imperfect people would be denied the right to be born. It's a dilemma. Given the choice between having a healthy child or an unhealthy one with genetic defects how many are going to pick the unhealthy one? I'll tell you one thing for sure, this isn't a "cure" for these diseases.
Here are some more reasons pro-abortionists have said we need abortion. We need abortion to reduce the number of babies born with drug addictions and A.I.D.S.. They say we need abortion for the poor to keep the number of babies born on welfare down so that our overburdened welfare system doesn't become more strained. They feel abortion is the answer, the "cure", for these problems.
A few years ago I watched a documentary about an abortion clinic in India . India has a problem with overpopulation and poor. In India a man has greater value than a woman. It has something to do with their religion I believe. I forget exactly how many abortions were performed at that clinic- one hundred? two hundred?, yet I was shocked to hear that only one of those abortions was performed on a male fetus. Genocide. Women are expenable because they aren't valuable. If the family was poor and couldn't afford a lot of children and the child was female then it was the most apt to be aborted.
When we make exceptions for killing it puts everyone at risk. What is to prevent someone from making you or your kind an exception?
auroreII wrote:Abortion is a kind of genocide.
Planned Parenthood is a big supporter of abortion rights, but don't forget Planned Parenthood's founder Martha Sanger wrote that she favored birth control and sterilization to get rid of the poor and undesirables. You can read about this in her Malthusian Population Doctrine and in the Birth Control Review- 10/1926. (The following was taken from a letter to the editor) "The next time you hear someone bragging that Sanger's Planned Parenthood provides birth control and abortion to the poor, remember this, it does so not out of any love for the poor, but because it was founded on a doctrine that holds the poor in such contempt that it hates to see them reproduce."
Many women I know who support the right to an abortion do so out of a compassion they feel towards those women whose pregnancies may present a hardship for them. I prefer not to get into arguments over that. I understand their reasoning, but I hope they can at least see beyond the euphamisms for what abortion really is. I choose life.
Rush Limbaugh said he was against abortion because it "cheapens life".
Rush Limbaugh cheapens life.
Quote:He was once confronted by a pro-abortion advocate who told him that abortion was necessary to prevent a child who is terminally ill or deformed from suffering. Mr. Limbaugh told that person that life is full of suffering. Everyone suffers, we can't avoid it. If we justify abortion to avoid suffering then why should anyone bother being born at all? Life can be hard sometimes. Choosing life can mean hardship.
Rush Limbaugh has made some decisions in his life that suck. I am of the opinion that Rush Limbaugh should have the right to make as many decisions that suck as he likes.
I am also of the opinion that a pregnant woman has a right to terminate her pregnancy for whatever reasons she chooses.
Quote:Designer families are possible in the U.S. With abortion people can pick and choose when to have their kids, decide on how their ages will be spaced and can rid themselves of unwanted and imperfect children by early prenatal detection of mental and physical defects. I read an article in the paper where scientists were claiming that in a few years there will be a "cure" for cystic fibrosis and other genetic diseases. This will be accomplished by the in-vitro fertilization of the egg so that the genetic make-up can be examined and any imperfect embryos can be discarded down the sink drain. Is this a "cure"? It sounds like genocide. Imperfect people would be denied the right to be born. It's a dilemma. Given the choice between having a healthy child or an unhealthy one with genetic defects how many are going to pick the unhealthy one? I'll tell you one thing for sure, this isn't a "cure" for these diseases.
Here are some more reasons pro-abortionists have said we need abortion. We need abortion to reduce the number of babies born with drug addictions and A.I.D.S.. They say we need abortion for the poor to keep the number of babies born on welfare down so that our overburdened welfare system doesn't become more strained. They feel abortion is the answer, the "cure", for these problems.
A few years ago I watched a documentary about an abortion clinic in India . India has a problem with overpopulation and poor. In India a man has greater value than a woman. It has something to do with their religion I believe. I forget exactly how many abortions were performed at that clinic- one hundred? two hundred?, yet I was shocked to hear that only one of those abortions was performed on a male fetus. Genocide. Women are expenable because they aren't valuable. If the family was poor and couldn't afford a lot of children and the child was female then it was the most apt to be aborted.
When we make exceptions for killing it puts everyone at risk. What is to prevent someone from making you or your kind an exception?
Get a life!
If a pregnant woman wants to terminate her pregnancy...she ought to be allowed to do so without other nosy busybodies poking into it.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Women have abortions for numerous reasons. If one boils it all down to one general reason, it is:
She does not want to carry the pregnancy to term.
Whether the particular reason for the abortion is rational, logical, well thought out, or immature and frivolous, the bottom line is that it is the woman's body, and, IMO, as long as the product of the conception is not a legal person, she has a perfect right to do with it as she wishes.
Hi Phoenix,
So if abortion was illegal, and the unborn had legal protection and status as a person, what would be your position then?
Since it is legal now, does it matter? I mean, I know we've talked about the legality aspect before; it just seems as though Phoenix believes in a woman's right, and was noting that the law supports her assertion.
Sorry, for jumping in for you, P
Abortion may be legal, but Christians still believe it is wrong to do. This is one of those things that will more than likely never find a happy medium.
I view abortion as murder and contend no one has the right to commit murder. And yes, I know, Frank says it's not murder because it is not an illegal act. But once again, these are words that man has changed and laws that man has changed.
God does not and has not changed the law.
Whether abortion is a legal issue, a moral issue, a woman's choice, or approved/disapproved by one's definition of a god are entirely different propositions than the humanity or lack of humanity of a zygote/embryo/fetus.
There are so many different permutations of the issue, this thread could go on for years; probably will. No wonder Frank posted it.
Now if we had some standard we all agreed to go by. . . :wink:
Since we are all looking for concessions to be made...I suggest the Christian right acknowledge that the net result...according to their faith...is that if the fetus is a person...the person, if aborted, ends up in Heaven spending eternity with their god.
Exactly, Neo! If we could all agree, but alas, it seems we can't.
Frank, none of us have said that if the child was aborted, it would not go to heaven. That is not the issue. Of course the soul of the child would go to heaven.
Phoenix,
We all have the right to lobby to change the laws and once the laws are made, then we must adhere to them. But, that does not mean that because it is now a law that I will ever agree that abortion is okay.
And, I would hate to think that any woman would think, gee, if I get pregnant I can just abort. But, I am sure at least one has.
And, just where would you be today, if your mother had decided not to have you? You wouldn't be here arguing to make it okay for other children to be aborted. So, you got a chance at life, why try to take that away from others?
Phoenix,
I am sorry if you are offended by my beliefs. I am not trying to force them on you. We are having a discussion where you pose your views and I pose mine. I think abortion is wrong. You think abortion is okay. Now, how is that imposing my religious beliefs on you anymore than you are imposing your views on me? Is there a difference here? If there is, I do not see it.
I have stated MY beliefs, MY views, etc. You have stated YOUR beliefs, YOUR views, etc. It's merely a discussion.
The ultimate decision (IMO) is left up to God and He is the judge here; not me and not you and not anyone else.
We are just sharing opinions, etc.