ABORTION.......

I stated it in either this thread or the other abortion thread fairly recently. I could dig it up if you wish, or you can find it yourself, but it is a matter of record.

You are incorrect in that my question is not predated on a naive and overt presumption of a simplistic definition of terms. That would be rather obvious.

For some reason, even though I have mentioned that my question is not predated a naive and overt presumption of a simplistic definition of terms you still avoid answering the question so I'll pose it again.

It is really not that a hard question; simply a yes or a no with your logical specific rationale.[/quote]

I The self; the ego.


See
1. To perceive with the eye.
a. To apprehend as if with the eye.
b. To detect by means analogous to use of the eye: an electronic surveillance camera that saw the activity in the embassy yard.
2. To have a mental image of; visualize: They could still see their hometown as it once was.
3. To understand; comprehend: I see your point.
4. To consider to be; regard: Many saw her as a world leader.
5. To believe possible; imagine: I don't see him as a teacher.
6. To foresee: I see great things for that child.
7. To know through firsthand experience; undergo: "He saw some service on the king's side" (Tucker Brooke).
8. To give rise to or be characterized by: "Her long reign saw the heyday of verbal humor" (Richard Kain). "The 1930s saw the development of sulfa drugs and penicillin" (Gregg Easterbrook).
9. To find out; ascertain: Please see who's knocking.
10. To refer to; read: Persons interested in the book's history should see page one of the preface.
11. To take note of; recognize: She sees only the good aspects of the organization.
12. To meet or be in the company of: I saw all my aunts and uncles at the reunion.
13. To share the companionship of often or regularly: He's been seeing the same woman for eight years.
a. To visit socially; call on.
b. To visit for consultation: You ought to see your doctor more frequently.
14. To admit or receive, as for consultation or a social visit: The doctor will see you now.
15. To attend; view: Let's see a movie.
16. To escort; attend: I'm seeing Nellie home.
17. To make sure; take care: See that it gets done right away.
18. Games.
a. To meet (a bet) in card games.
b. To meet the bet of (another player).

v. intr.
1. To have the power to perceive with or as if with the eye.
2. To understand; comprehend.
3. To consider: Let's see, which suitcase should we take?
a. To go and look: She had to see for herself and went into the garage.
b. To ascertain; find out: We probably can do it, but we'll have to see.
4. To have foresight: "No man can see to the end of time" (John F. Kennedy).
5. To take note.


A

19. Used before nouns and noun phrases that denote a single but unspecified person or thing: a region; a person.
20. Used before terms, such as few or many, that denote number, amount, quantity, or degree: only a few of the voters; a bit more rest; a little excited.
a. Used before a proper name to denote a type or a member of a class: the wisdom of a Socrates.
b. Used before a mass noun to indicate a single type or example: a dry wine.
21. The same: birds of a feather.
22. Any: not a drop to drink.


And
23. Together with or along with; in addition to; as well as. Used to connect words, phrases, or clauses that have the same grammatical function in a construction.
24. Added to; plus: Two and two makes four.
25. Used to indicate result: Give the boy a chance, and he might surprise you.
26. Informal. To. Used between finite verbs, such as go, come, try, write, or see: try and find it; come and see. See Usage Note at try.
27. Archaic. If: and it pleases you.

Idioms:
and so forth/on
6. And other unspecified things of the same class: bought groceries, went to the bank, picked up the dry cleaning, and so forth.
7. Further in the same manner.

but
28. On the contrary: the plan caused not prosperity but ruin.
29. Contrary to expectation; yet: She organized her work but accomplished very little. He is tired but happy.
30. Usage Problem. Used to indicate an exception: No one but she saw the prowler.
31. With the exception that; except that. Often used with that: would have joined the band but he couldn't spare the time; would have resisted but that they lacked courage.
32. Informal. Without the result that: It never rains but it pours.
33. Informal. That. Often used after a negative: There is no doubt but right will prevail.
34. That... not. Used after a negative or question: There never is a tax law presented but someone will oppose it.
35. If not; unless: "Ten to one but the police have got them" (Charlotte M. Yonge).
36. Informal. Than: They had no sooner arrived but they turned around and left.


no
37. Used to express refusal, denial, disbelief, emphasis, or disagreement: No, I'm not going. No, you're wrong.
38. Not at all; not by any degree. Often used with the comparative: no better; no more.
39. Not: whether or no.

n. pl. noes (nz)
8. A negative response; a denial or refusal: The proposal produced only noes.
9. A negative vote or voter.

interj.
Used to express strong refusal, doubt, or disbelief.

my
adj. The possessive form of I1.
40. Used as a modifier before a noun: my boots; my accomplishments.
41. Used preceding various forms of polite, affectionate, or familiar address: My friend, you are so right.
42. Used in various interjectional phrases: My word! My goodness!

interj.
Used as an exclamation of surprise, pleasure, or dismay: Oh, my! What a tiring day!



It
43. Used to refer to that one previously mentioned. Used of a nonhuman entity; an animate being whose sex is unspecified, unknown, or irrelevant; a group of objects or individuals; an action; or an abstraction: polished the table until it shone; couldn't find out who it was; opened the meeting by calling it to order.
44. Used as the subject of an impersonal verb: It is snowing.
a. Used as an anticipatory subject or object: Is it certain that they will win?
b. Used as an anticipatory subject to emphasize a term that is not itself a subject: It was on Friday that all the snow fell.
45. Used to refer to a general condition or state of affairs: She couldn't stand it.
46. Used to refer to a crucial situation or culmination: This is itthe rivals are finally face to face. That's it! I won't tolerate any more foolishness.
47. Informal. Used to refer to something that is the best, the most desirable, or without equal: He thinks he's it. That steak was really it!


Again
48. Once more; anew: Try again.
49. To a previous place, position, or state: left home but went back again.
50. Furthermore; moreover: Again, we need to collect more data.
51. On the other hand: She might go, and again she might not.
52. In return; in response: paid him again.


really
53. In actual truth or fact: The horseshoe crab isn't really a crab at all.
54. Truly; genuinely: That was a really enjoyable evening.
55. Indeed: Really, you shouldn't have done it.

your
56. Used as a modifier before a noun: your boots; your accomplishments.
57. A person's; one's: The light switch is on your right.
58. Informal. Used with little or no sense of possession to indicate a type familiar to the listener: your basic three-story frame house.


In fact I do. I see that we now have a common basis of reference for words that might have been misconstrued and in fact often are by you and many others without such a common basis of reference. As mentioned however, you have already given your definition of a human being and I was not asking for any other definitions from you at this time.

When Real Life meets up with someone who is kicking his/her ass...this is the way she/he always handles things, Jason.

Congratulations.

You've just achieved another distinction.

Go ahead and post it again. I have not found it.

OK, it might take a while, as I have to get to work

I sort of imagined that he is one of those individuals who contributes a great disservice to humanity by just being himself.

If he only had the courage and decency to pull out the cerebral enema that obstructs logical thoughts from entering the hippocampus, he'd not just be able to see the world differently…but he'd capable to see the truth.




Thank you for acknowledging it.




I will have to start using these little dudes more often. Let me see… ... Yeahhhhhhh…it feels sooo GOOD.

I don't go through this world making excuses about my behavior, Real. I make mistakes and I'm able to learn from them. That's why I'm here…to learn from my mistakes and the mistakes of others, and gain some extra knowledge in the process. I don't actually know why you're here. If you want to block yourself from any human reasoning while analyzing the obvious, don't expect me to go easy on you.

But if you find that my responds to you are offensive, I apologize. However, there is no other way to reason with the illogical without exposing some flaws (and it is quite entertaining, indeed.)

And about this "topic [continuing] without [me]," I do agree with you. Written words always surpass the human flesh.

Who is to say what is logical and what is illogical?

If as one can impute from your question, you posit there is no authority for logic, then you would need to explain the illogic of the Pythagorean theorem (for example) of which at the least I contend has relative logic if not absolute logic.

I welcome you to take up the challenge prove that the Pythagorean theorem is illogical at the very least in the relative sense, if not the absolute sense also.

I am not interested in getting into a mathematical debate. My comment was on a much lower level. I was simply referring to Jason's contention that his thoughts are logical and real's are, therefore, not.

ABORTION.......
Everyone is making this too complicated. Abortion, the topic of this thread, boils down to a moral issue. There are people who don't think twice about doing it, but would go ballistic if animals were done that way. But it's easier for them to opt for an abortion, because they don't have to watch it. It reminds me of someone who doesn't have the stomach to kill someone, so they hire someone to do it for them. But the person who hired the killer, is just as guilty as the killer, himself. Yes, abortion is legal, now. But it's still killing.

I wish they would make it a law that the woman had to watch a video of it being performed, before her final decision. I guarantee you that afterward, most would change their minds.

Similar arguments have been made about proponents of the death penalty - that they should all have to witness one before they advocated an execution.

PoetSeductress, you make too many assumptions. If the issue was as simple as you say, the solution would be obvious and every country in the world would make abortion illegal just like they do with the killing of a six-year-old.

The fact that you don't understand the complexity doesn't make you right.

Perhaps every "pro-lifer" should be made to watch a mixed up 14 year old kill herself with a coat-hanger

Earl-

There's no complexity.It's simple.Abortion is inhuman full stop.Complexity is a ploy.

What does your mixed up 14 year old have to do with an incubating Mozart.Or a Joe Soap for that matter.

ABORTION.......


I've watched it on TV, a long time ago. In the old days of the early frontier times, it was common for people to watch a hanging.

There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

I'm not sure I would make even that distinction understandable though it is.It's a Dante distinction.

ABORTION.......


Did I say anything about making it illegal? No, I didn't. Dont' tell me I don't understand the "complexity" of it. It's as plain as the nose on your face.

AND, that coat-hanger bit is an old, broken record. If you use that logic, then why not legalize drugs and have a physician administer enough to get you high, but not so much that you overdose? After all, those poor heroin addicts are killing themselves needlessly. If drugs would just be legalized and controlled, then it would save so many lives! (ha)

You don't legalize something just because someone gets stupid and decides to butcher themselves. So now, you butcher the baby, instead.

Human beings are capable of telling apart logical propositions from illogical ones.

Human logic is often called "human reasoning." Any human with the right state of mind is able to interpret things logically, with human reasoning…unless, of curse, that person belongs in the Cuckoo's Nest Club.

Human logic (or human reasoning) can differentiate a false proposition (illogical) when it is presented, when such contradicts the logic of what is being defined (or proposed)… For example:

If today is Monday, tomorrow can't be Saturday.

Bachelors can't possibly be bachelors if married.

The sun can't come out at midnight.

The pink dress is not blue…

…And so on.

Hope this helped.

Mozart had several children die soon after birth because he refused them to be allowed milk. They were to have only water, the same as he. So his abortion would have prevented several subsequent deaths of poor innocent full term children, yet I get the impression your are happy he was born?

All kinds of hypocrisy going on there.

Re: ABORTION.......


In my country we have legal heroin injecting rooms for exactly that reason.

If the issue were simple, why are the more liberal human rights activist types on the pro-choice side while the right, conservative, authoritarian types on the other?

If it were a simple human rights issue, it would be the other way around.