Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 11:37 am
God can dream far greater dreams than I can.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 01:10 pm
Bartikus wrote:
You would think the child might be standing near the throne of God waiting to cast condemnation on his father.........but No.

The child was a human being from his beginning.

He is waiting for his Father's embrace.


A free pass to an eternity with your god...

...and you claim the "child" has been cheated.

Boy...one sure has to suspend logic to buy into religion.
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 01:13 pm
Bartikus wrote:
God can dream far greater dreams than I can.
Such as the murder of over 6 millions Jews as per the Final Solution.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 01:17 pm
Such as finding the only way to free the enslaved Hebrews...was by slaughtering a bunch of first-born.

Jeez...you would think that a god who had recently created the 250 billion stars in our galaxy...and the hundreds of billions of other galaxies...and had spread them over an area so vast that light takes billions of years to traverse it...

...couold have come up with something a bit less gruesome.
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 01:38 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Here is exactly what you asked me
Bartikus wrote:
Someone has kicked a mother in the stomach repeatedly with the intent of destroying the unborn. The mothers choice and right was to have that child!

What is the charge that should be broght against the person?
It's clear that you asked me to assess the man and woman and to make certain determinations about their behaviors from a legal and ethical perspective.


I'll just ask one thing.

Is there ever a time when killing an unborn child can be considered murder?

If yes, then under what criteria in your opinion?
Again I ask you to provide me with the information I have requested numerous times for your scenario and for which you have as of yet refused to supply.

What is the reason you have so far ignored my request for the required information for your scenario? Is the scenario you developed not meeting your criteria for showing your religious concerns? If so, that is not a problem of mine, but a problem of your inability to present a viable allegory.

You started the ball rolling by supplying me with a specific scenario but then backed out by not giving me enough information to make an assessment.

You now have decided to ask me to provide the scenario in question to save you the time and trouble of making your own arguments.

This is disingenuous and lazy. Do your own homework! Supply me with the information I have asked for as per the scenario you have put forth. I will not make your arguments for you!

Here is the scenario you have put forth
Bartikus wrote:
Someone has kicked a mother in the stomach repeatedly with the intent of destroying the unborn. The mothers choice and right was to have that child!

What is the charge that should be broght against the person?
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:15 pm
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.

I'm not an authority on the statistical and psychological data you requested.

I'm sorry you feel that way Frank. I did'nt realize how much you know about god whom you don't know even exists.

I don't know what else to say.

I gotta go.
0 Replies
 
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:20 pm
Quote:
And your point is what exactly:
a) That there is no such thing as a very serious overpopulation problem today?


No,there isnt.
If you gave everyone on earth 6 square feet to stand in,the entire population of earth would fit into the Dallas city limits.

There is no worldwide overpopulation problem right now.
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:26 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
And your point is what exactly:
a) That there is no such thing as a very serious overpopulation problem today?


No,there isnt.
If you gave everyone on earth 6 square feet to stand in,the entire population of earth would fit into the Dallas city limits.

There is no worldwide overpopulation problem right now.


Is there enough food mysteryman?
0 Replies
 
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:39 pm
Bartikus wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
And your point is what exactly:
a) That there is no such thing as a very serious overpopulation problem today?


No,there isnt.
If you gave everyone on earth 6 square feet to stand in,the entire population of earth would fit into the Dallas city limits.

There is no worldwide overpopulation problem right now.


Is there enough food mysteryman?


YES,
But distribution is the problem.
The San Joaquin valley in central Ca grows enough produce every year to feed the majority of the world.
The problem is in getting it to the people in the third world that need it.
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:49 pm
Here is a source on viability:

http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/development4.shtml

In case anyone might be interested.

Viability will change with technology.
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:57 pm
Bartikus wrote:
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.
That you are unable to supply me with what I need is patently false. Why? Because you supplied the rest of the scenario in reasonable detail, but then would not tell me what the man's views were on actually hurting the mother. If you were able to tell me what the man's views were on the purpose of kicking the mother, I am sure you could have told me the man's views on actually hurting the mother!

As to the statistical data, I told you a number of times that you can make it up if you wish, and that it only pertained to the survival chances of the fetus at 4 ½ months. How hard could that be?

Further I never said any such thing that I "won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered". I simply asked you first to define your terms in a general way which you fully ignored in it's entirety. After fully ignoring that you presented a specific scenario as an allegory. I then asked for enough information to provide an assessment.
You provided a goodly amount of information about your allegorical scenario but not quite enough, and are still refusing claiming "I am unable to supply you with what you need".

How do you expect me to have a normal dialogue when you ignore my posts when it suits you, make totally unrealistic claims such as I "won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered" and won't provide the basic simple information of an allegorical scenario of your own making?
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 02:57 pm
Bartikus wrote:
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.
That you are unable to supply me with what I need is patently false. Why? Because you supplied the rest of your scenario in reasonable detail, but then would not tell me what the man's views were on actually hurting the mother. If you were able to tell me what the man's views were on the purpose of kicking the mother, I am sure you could have told me the man's views on actually hurting the mother!

As to the statistical data, I told you a number of times that you can make it up if you wish, and that it only pertained to the survival chances of the fetus at 4 ½ months. How hard could that be?

Further I never said any such thing that I "won't tell you whether an unborn human can ever be murdered". I simply asked you first to define your terms in a general way which you fully ignored in it's entirety. After fully ignoring that you presented a specific scenario as an allegory. I then asked for enough information to provide an assessment.
You provided a goodly amount of information about your allegorical scenario but not quite enough, and are still refusing claiming "I am unable to supply you with what you need".

How do you expect me to have a normal dialogue when you ignore my posts when it suits you, make totally unrealistic claims such as I "won't tell you whether an unborn human can ever be murdered" and won't provide the basic simple information of an allegorical scenario of your own making?
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:02 pm
Bartikus wrote:
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.

I'm not an authority on the statistical and psychological data you requested.

I'm sorry you feel that way Frank. I did'nt realize how much you know about god whom you don't know even exists.


I have a library full of Bibles, Bart...Catholic Bibles, Protestant Bibles, and Jewish Bibles. I have studied them quite carefully over the years...and I have studied many, many books about them.

Why do you suppose it so strange that I know what the Bible says about that god?

Do you KNOW the god exists?


Quote:

I don't know what else to say.


Often the best thing to do in that situation is to say nothing.


Quote:
I gotta go.


When you gotta go...you gotta go!
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:07 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
And your point is what exactly:
a) That there is no such thing as a very serious overpopulation problem today?


No,there isnt.
If you gave everyone on earth 6 square feet to stand in,the entire population of earth would fit into the Dallas city limits.

There is no worldwide overpopulation problem right now.


Is there enough food mysteryman?


YES,
But distribution is the problem.
The San Joaquin valley in central Ca grows enough produce every year to feed the majority of the world.
The problem is in getting it to the people in the third world that need it.


Coincidentally mysteryman, it looks like those nations who need the food the most right now have different laws regarding the issue.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-1020.245-en.html
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:12 pm
Mysteryman believes that food is the answer to overpopulation.

That's a new high in lowdown-ness!
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:13 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.

I'm not an authority on the statistical and psychological data you requested.

I'm sorry you feel that way Frank. I did'nt realize how much you know about god whom you don't know even exists.


I have a library full of Bibles, Bart...Catholic Bibles, Protestant Bibles, and Jewish Bibles. I have studied them quite carefully over the years...and I have studied many, many books about them.

Why do you suppose it so strange that I know what the Bible says about that god?

Do you KNOW the god exists?


Quote:

I don't know what else to say.


Often the best thing to do in that situation is to say nothing.


Quote:
I gotta go.


When you gotta go...you gotta go!


I understand now Frank. Thanks.
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:35 pm
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
I am unable to supply you with what you need, Chumly. The fact that you won't tell me whether an unborn human can ever be murdered says it all.
That you are unable to supply me with what I need is patently false. Why? Because you supplied the rest of your scenario in reasonable detail, but then would not tell me what the man's views were on actually hurting the mother. If you were able to tell me what the man's views were on the purpose of kicking the mother, I am sure you could have told me the man's views on actually hurting the mother!

As to the statistical data, I told you a number of times that you can make it up if you wish, and that it only pertained to the survival chances of the fetus at 4 ½ months. How hard could that be?

Further I never said any such thing that I "won't tell you whether an unborn human can ever be murdered". I simply asked you first to define your terms in a general way which you fully ignored in it's entirety. After fully ignoring that you presented a specific scenario as an allegory. I then asked for enough information to provide an assessment.
You provided a goodly amount of information about your allegorical scenario but not quite enough, and are still refusing claiming "I am unable to supply you with what you need".

How do you expect me to have a normal dialogue when you ignore my posts when it suits you, make totally unrealistic claims such as I "won't tell you whether an unborn human can ever be murdered" and won't provide the basic simple information of an allegorical scenario of your own making?


15% chance of survivability.

Man is remorseful of crime against mother.

Man not found to be sociopathic but has had trouble sleeping the past few months since being laid off work. He has been taking OTC drugs to aid his sleep.

Arguments with the mother regarding the issue began from that point.
0 Replies
 
Bartikus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:44 pm
Chumly wrote:
Mysteryman believes that food is the answer to overpopulation.

That's a new high in lowdown-ness!


Mysteryman never said he believed food was the answer to overpopulation.

Did he?
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:47 pm
There you go Bartikus, that was not so bad was it?

I'll get back to you with my assessments of your scenario and we can discuss it's implications. After that I will consider any other scenario or questions you may have.

I will not however put up with my posts being ignored or my questions not properly addressed, naughty Bartikus!
0 Replies
 
Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Mar, 2006 03:50 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Mysteryman believes that food is the answer to overpopulation.

That's a new high in lowdown-ness!


Mysteryman never said he believed food was the answer to overpopulation.

Did he?
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
And your point is what exactly:
a) That there is no such thing as a very serious overpopulation problem today?


No,there isnt.
If you gave everyone on earth 6 square feet to stand in,the entire population of earth would fit into the Dallas city limits.

There is no worldwide overpopulation problem right now.
You tell me.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

700 Inconsistencies in the Bible - Discussion by onevoice
Why do we deliberately fool ourselves? - Discussion by coincidence
Spirituality - Question by Miller
Oneness vs. Trinity - Discussion by Arella Mae
give you chills - Discussion by Bartikus
Evidence for Evolution! - Discussion by Bartikus
Evidence of God! - Discussion by Bartikus
One World Order?! - Discussion by Bartikus
God loves us all....!? - Discussion by Bartikus
The Preambles to Our States - Discussion by Charli
 
  1. Forums
  2. » ABORTION.......
  3. » Page 171
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 07/20/2025 at 12:39:57