ABORTION.......

Jason,

You can come out of your room if you promise to play nice. It's ok, Momma said so. Intrepid, you can come out too.

Doktor S wrote:

A louse also has it's own body. A louse is most definitely a parasite.
Parasitical in that it cannot survive away from the host.
I think independence of symbiosis is as good a criteria for 'rights' as any presented...

DS, at what point could an infant survive on it's own? He is not going to be independent for a number of years.

Do you favor the parent's 'right' to kill their children at any point that they might prove too inconvenient to care for?

How 'bout those parasitical sick folks who can't survive on their own? Kill 'em? Yea or nay?

C'mon don't be coy. Let your utilitarian view be fully known.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Did we every find out who Larry is?

So, you haven't found out yet?

Uh, no. You haven't told us.

real life wrote:

Doktor S wrote:

A louse also has it's own body. A louse is most definitely a parasite.
Parasitical in that it cannot survive away from the host.
I think independence of symbiosis is as good a criteria for 'rights' as any presented...

DS, at what point could an infant survive on it's own? He is not going to be independent for a number of years.

Do you favor the parent's 'right' to kill their children at any point that they might prove too inconvenient to care for?

How 'bout those parasitical sick folks who can't survive on their own? Kill 'em? Yea or nay?

C'mon don't be coy. Let your utilitarian view be fully known.

Apples and oranges.
A fully functional adult, nevermind an infant, still requires outside support of some form to survive. You are not challenging a position I hold.
I am asserting that a reasonable distinction between something with 'rights' and something without them is the ability to be 'alive' free of another living host.

So, the egg and the sperm have to be fertilized so it can be called "human being."
But the zygote has the DNA of the mother and the father, doesn't it? And it is alive…and the same thing applies to sperms, MA.

LOL Ok then.

So if a doctor of the medical sciences determines the time of death by when the heart stops beating how can he turn around and say that an embryo with a heartbeat is not alive?

And if it's a human embryo then obviously it's not an egg or a zygote. Neither of those have a heartbeat. However an embryo develops one some time between 5-8 weeks. By 10 weeks the embryo has detached from the wall of the uterus and is now swimming in the womb separate from it's mother except for the umbilical cord. Which serves the purpose of providing the necessary nutrients and oxygen the it needs for normal growth and development as well as removing waste products.

Oh, by the way... do things that are not alive produce waste? Do they need oxygen or nutrients?

And if this human embryo is in fact alive at the time it's heart starts beating according to medical science's definition of when death occures, how is that considered any less murder than if I were to drown my own child in the bathtub because he was being bad?

hephzibah wrote:

LOL Ok then.

So if a doctor of the medical sciences determines the time of death by when the heart stops beating how can he turn around and say that an embryo with a heartbeat is not alive?

And if it's a human embryo then obviously it's not an egg or a zygote. Neither of those have a heartbeat. However an embryo develops one some time between 5-8 weeks. By 10 weeks the embryo has detached from the wall of the uterus and is now swimming in the womb separate from it's mother except for the umbilical cord. Which serves the purpose of providing the necessary nutrients and oxygen the it needs for normal growth and development as well as removing waste products.

Oh, by the way... do things that are not alive produce waste? Do they need oxygen or nutrients?

And if this human embryo is in fact alive at the time it's heart starts beating according to medical science's definition of when death occures, how is that considered any less murder than if I were to drown my own child in the bathtub because he was being bad?

Just thought I'd throw this back in there.

It gets worse for the abortion supporters.

The heart starts beating before the end of the fourth week.

see http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072907932/student_view0/chapter_22/chapter_summary.html

Hmm that's interesting. Years ago I used to volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center and I did a lot of research while I was there. Until now I had never seen anything that said the heart was beating that soon. It's amazing.

Having thought of this issue since yesterday I have come to the conclusion that while people bash the bible and say over and over it contradicts itself, it is abundantly clear that the law contradicts itself because it says we cannot murder a human or we will go to jail, then bends the rules when it comes to a living human being with a heart beat and possibly even brain waves, inside of a womans womb.

[ Well, ask Frank. He will tell you that a fetus is a parasite in the body of a woman who is the host.

[Contradictory, monstrous, barbaric.........god

mirror, mirror.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

God loves us....the unborn as much as me....as much as Frank.

Jesus is the word of God made flesh. He died for us.

Our God is an awesome God! A forgiving God through our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

How many more innocent children must be destroyed before mankind sees
who is really playing the role of the BARBARIC MONSTER GOD?

I too have some barbaric and disgusting traits....but knowing that Jesus loves me...gives me the courage to face the truth.

To face the..........mirror.