ABORTION.......

I don't know. It's some kind of critter eating a watermelon. I think it's a lemur.

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I thought it might be. Thank you for letting me know. I think it is so cute.

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MA, your cats don't eat watermelon?

Oops! Too late.

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Actually, I have one cat that will eat what I eat no matter what it is. She sits here on my desk while I am eating (usually at the computer, yes), and she has to have some of whatever it is.

Oreo, my large black and white cat loves fruit. He eats watermelon, strawberries, pineapple, etc.

The cats all seem to have their preferences. I have a Persian that absolutely LOVES hot dogs! And the cheaper kind the better! You say, "Hot dog, Tasha?" and she makes a beeline for that refrigerator.

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http://abortionno.org/abortion_no.html

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CLICK THIS LINK

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MA

That's hilarious!

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nick17 wrote:

http://abortionno.org/abortion_no.html

http://abortionno.org/abortion_no.html

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http://abortionno.org/abortion_no.html

Still can't think of anything to say?

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nick17

I am pretty sure that people come here to participate in some sort of debate or discussion.

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echi,

I could tell you so many stories about my cats. I run a homeless cat shelter. I have one that likes to open the door and let everyone out! He's the king around here. His name is Oliver and he's a Siamese.

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Any sensible cool cat would say "I'll have what she's having".Everytime.

Have you tried them with carbon dating Momma?

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Nick17

I take it back. I'm sure the images are good for some people. I think it's good that you post the websites. It's just when people post the pictures that get me.
(I hope I don't regret telling you that.)

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Real life, the road to humanity is a gradual process. Other than birth, there is no sharp dividing line between any of the stages. All we know is that the fetal brain does not develop to the point that rudimentary awareness might be possible before 24 weeks post-fertilization. The best we can do is recommend that abortions be done as early in the pregnancy as possible, ideally in the first trimester as 89% are (as I recall, but the numbers may have changed). Unless you can find a way to ensure perfect fetuses, safe pregnancy, and foolproof birth-control, some later abortions will always be necessary. You just have to accept that women are capable of making ethical decisions, and a million per year choose to abort a pregnancy for whatever reasons make sense to them.

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Nick17, your picture shows a human fetus, which is not the same thing as a human being. You could make a model out of clay that would look more like a human being or a robot that would respond to sound and being touched, but they would lack the ability to think and feel which is what defines us as human beings.

Thumb sucking may occur at 20 weeks post-fertilization but is a reflex action. Fetuses do not scream, silently or otherwise. They cannot experience pain until the cortex is wired and functioning. People anthropomorphize fetuses (just as they do animals and even cute robots) with no regard for biological facts. It just ain't so.

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Thunder_runner32, I am appalled that you don't consider "retarded" people to have fully functioning brains! The ignorance of people here continues to amaze me.

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Terry,

You are appalled because Thunder_Runner32 doesn't consider "retarded" people to have fully functioning brains? Why? If their brains were fully functioning they would not be "retarded". Perhaps retarded is not the correct word here. But, I can understand what Thunder is saying.

If that appalls you, can you imagine why I would be appalled that you don't consider that fetus to be a human being?

I am amazed.

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Terry wrote:

Real life, the road to humanity is a gradual process. Other than birth, there is no sharp dividing line between any of the stages.

Birth is a pretty fuzzy line compared to conception.

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The best we can do is recommend that abortions be done as early in the pregnancy as possible,

Why as early as possible if the sharp line is drawn at birth?

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Unless you can find a way to ensure perfect fetuses, safe pregnancy, and foolproof birth-control, some later abortions will always be necessary.

Abortion may always exist, but it is never necessary.

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You just have to accept that women are capable of making ethical decisions, and a million per year choose to abort a pregnancy for whatever reasons make sense to them.

Every crime is committed for a reason.

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You could make a model out of clay that would look more like a human being or a robot that would respond to sound and being touched, but they would lack the ability to think and feel which is what defines us as human beings.

How did you come up with that? Who can say what defines us as human beings?

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Terry wrote:

Real life, the road to humanity is a gradual process. Other than birth, there is no sharp dividing line between any of the stages. All we know is that the fetal brain does not develop to the point that rudimentary awareness might be possible before 24 weeks post-fertilization. The best we can do is recommend that abortions be done as early in the pregnancy as possible, ideally in the first trimester as 89% are (as I recall, but the numbers may have changed). Unless you can find a way to ensure perfect fetuses, safe pregnancy, and foolproof birth-control, some later abortions will always be necessary. You just have to accept that women are capable of making ethical decisions, and a million per year choose to abort a pregnancy for whatever reasons make sense to them.

Interesting that you equate abortions with ethical decisions

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Nick17, your picture shows a human fetus, which is not the same thing as a human being. You could make a model out of clay that would look more like a human being or a robot that would respond to sound and being touched, but they would lack the ability to think and feel which is what defines us as human beings.

Most of us realize that Nick17 was portraying a human fetus and not a human being in the sense of a walking, talking person. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but clay in inanimate. A fetus is animate and can feel even though the ability to actually think has not yet developed.

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Thumb sucking may occur at 20 weeks post-fertilization but is a reflex action. Fetuses do not scream, silently or otherwise. They cannot experience pain until the cortex is wired and functioning. People anthropomorphize fetuses (just as they do animals and even cute robots) with no regard for biological facts. It just ain't so.

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Any adult humans do not possess reflex actions?

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Thunder_runner32, I am appalled that you don't consider "retarded" people to have fully functioning brains! The ignorance of people here continues to amaze me.

You are appalled at Thunder_runner32's comment but you find abortion perfectly acceptable? I would hope that you are able to distinguish the meaning that Thunder was putting forth and put it into context. The ignorance continues.

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Terry wrote:

Real life, the road to humanity is a gradual process. Other than birth, there is no sharp dividing line between any of the stages. All we know is that the fetal brain does not develop to the point that rudimentary awareness might be possible before 24 weeks post-fertilization. The best we can do is recommend that abortions be done as early in the pregnancy as possible, ideally in the first trimester as 89% are (as I recall, but the numbers may have changed). Unless you can find a way to ensure perfect fetuses, safe pregnancy, and foolproof birth-control, some later abortions will always be necessary. You just have to accept that women are capable of making ethical decisions,...............

If I am asleep, I am not "aware" but that does not mean I am not a living human being. Same thing for someone injured and in a coma.

Do you think someone ought to have the right to take the life of someone either sleeping or in a coma? Your argument about when you think someone is "aware" has absolutely no bearing.

Again, unless "perfect fetuses" can be guaranteed you consider abortion a legitimate option. How imperfect does a fetus have to be before you are willing to allow them to be exterminated?

I know lots of folks whose children were born with minor health problems and some major ones, too. All of these imperfect children are in danger in a world with a mindset such as yours, I'm afraid.

Elective abortion is an immoral choice, not a morally sound choice. Planned Parenthood and private practitioners of abortion rake in billions each year selling the public on the idea that there is no moral component to the abortion question.

As people learn more about the medical facts of pregnancy and fetalogy, they almost always become progressively more and more pro-life. Unless they have a financial stake in an abortion practice or have an emotional reason to justify a past decision. If someone has had an abortion or assisted someone else in getting one or helped them to rationalize doing so, it is difficult to face the consequences of what they actually participated in.

Some folks have the courage to face their past and repudiate it. There are posters here on A2K who have done so. A prominent physician in the earlier pro-abortion movement was Dr John C Wilkie. He led the fight to legalize abortions, performed many abortions and knows the business inside and out.

I recommend you read what someone with his experience and depth of background has to say.

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Sorry abot the links. I went a bit mad. But I found somthing good on that site, so I will just put the link in here because i think you all should see it.
http://abortionno.org/Resources/audiovideo.html
Scroll down the page a little and open the HARDER TRUTH (Abortion Video)

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Just an observation: would not a 'reflext action' be an indication that the brain is wired? Brain dead people have no reactions, reflex or otherwise.

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Foxfyre,
Your observation is too full of reality for some folks. Your comments, IMHO, make perfect sense.

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