bulmabriefs144 wrote:
But numbers don't count.
The US was founded on curbing mob rule. It is republic not a democracy.
You cannot just strongarm your way into an election. It matters that rural America with plenty of land but low amount of people hates your guts.
And the problems of one little city don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
Republican use regions to vote through electors. This is because it is unconscionable for a bunch of thugs out of touch with how most of the country lives to set policy.
If NYC decides that mining coal is common, and that we all ought to stop it, but this seizes up the entire state of West Virginia, that's a whole state of people that hates the guts of NYC. Likewise, is Washington DC says natural gas or oil are no good, and raises gas prices to the point where it's nearly double or even triple, that one little district may have alot of people working in it, but alot of states of people increasingly view them as tone deaf. This is whole tracts of land that have to mow their lawns without a constant electric connection and money to spend refitting everything with battery packs or coeds so they can feel woke or virtuo (which they care nothing about).
I years ago had an electric mower. It was a pain in the ass, as I was dragging about a cord in the hot sun. They did not have battery packs for any mower at the time. In fact, they flatly told me that it was inefficient, because you'd have to keep swapping packs. Now you could mine for loads of nickel (destroying beautiful portions of China or Maine), but you know, it's far easier to just put in a tap for oil than to clear cut land to dig for nickel.
Tracts of land matter, in the grand scheme of things, people who live in large tracts of land matter. Out of touch people who don't understand what it's like to sweat and grunt and scream to make their living, who spend their days as a "social media influencer" don't really matter. No matter how many of them live within a sq mile. There are alot of square miles in the US, and tiny out of touch "bubbles" aren't representing America. Stop "dreaming" and start looking at how the other half lives. The other half being a farmer's wife, who has to struggle because their child needs medicine after completing college but being bitten by deer ticks. Or the miner family who got black lung, only for big government to tell them rather than making coal mining safer, they intend to take away the profession. Or the logger who has green legislation passed against their job and not the kind abour renewing by replanting, but rhe stupid kind that makes them waste their efforts and not use the wood they cut.
Electoral college is a necessary part of US government, because numbers shouldn't matter, but what the average person living on most of the land feels.
Now if most of the land is city, then you got a point. But if that ever is the case pollution and starvation become real problems.
Sounds like a pain-in-the-ass using a pain-in-the-ass tool to do a pain-in-the-ass job to me.
Numbers DO count. You get nothing passed without the necessary votes.
Our nation IS a democracy...as well as a Republic. The two are not mutually exclusive.
About that lawnmower: Did I mention that it sounds like a pain-in-the-ass using a pain-in-the-ass tool to do a pain-in-the-ass job to me.
Frank Apisa wrote:
bulmabriefs144 wrote:
But numbers don't count.
The US was founded on curbing mob rule. It is republic not a democracy.
You cannot just strongarm your way into an election. It matters that rural America with plenty of land but low amount of people hates your guts.
And the problems of one little city don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
Republican use regions to vote through electors. This is because it is unconscionable for a bunch of thugs out of touch with how most of the country lives to set policy.
If NYC decides that mining coal is common, and that we all ought to stop it, but this seizes up the entire state of West Virginia, that's a whole state of people that hates the guts of NYC. Likewise, is Washington DC says natural gas or oil are no good, and raises gas prices to the point where it's nearly double or even triple, that one little district may have alot of people working in it, but alot of states of people increasingly view them as tone deaf. This is whole tracts of land that have to mow their lawns without a constant electric connection and money to spend refitting everything with battery packs or coeds so they can feel woke or virtuo (which they care nothing about).
I years ago had an electric mower. It was a pain in the ass, as I was dragging about a cord in the hot sun. They did not have battery packs for any mower at the time. In fact, they flatly told me that it was inefficient, because you'd have to keep swapping packs. Now you could mine for loads of nickel (destroying beautiful portions of China or Maine), but you know, it's far easier to just put in a tap for oil than to clear cut land to dig for nickel.
Tracts of land matter, in the grand scheme of things, people who live in large tracts of land matter. Out of touch people who don't understand what it's like to sweat and grunt and scream to make their living, who spend their days as a "social media influencer" don't really matter. No matter how many of them live within a sq mile. There are alot of square miles in the US, and tiny out of touch "bubbles" aren't representing America. Stop "dreaming" and start looking at how the other half lives. The other half being a farmer's wife, who has to struggle because their child needs medicine after completing college but being bitten by deer ticks. Or the miner family who got black lung, only for big government to tell them rather than making coal mining safer, they intend to take away the profession. Or the logger who has green legislation passed against their job and not the kind abour renewing by replanting, but rhe stupid kind that makes them waste their efforts and not use the wood they cut.
Electoral college is a necessary part of US government, because numbers shouldn't matter, but what the average person living on most of the land feels.
Now if most of the land is city, then you got a point. But if that ever is the case pollution and starvation become real problems.
Sounds like a pain-in-the-ass using a pain-in-the-ass tool to do a pain-in-the-ass job to me.
Numbers DO count. You get nothing passed without the necessary votes.
Our nation IS a democracy...as well as a Republic. The two are not mutually exclusive.
About that lawnmower: Did I mention that it sounds like a pain-in-the-ass using a pain-in-the-ass tool to do a pain-in-the-ass job to me.
Wikipedia lists our government as Federal presidential constitutional republic. I imagine before Biden, you could nix the Federal part, as he's personally created pork bloat. You don't want pork bloat. Look what it did to this guy!
What this means is the numbers DON'T matter, because it's not us that vote on laws. It's the numbers of elite politicians in nice suits that vote on laws.
Here would be how a real democracy works. We do away with the president. We do awat with the electoral college. We have a legislative branch of lower house only, we have a judicial branch of about fifty judges, and they vote rather than deciding based on legal principles. And the executive branch? Every single law would be voted on by a bunch of people (about 300 million minus those who don't vote). Most people do not like taxes (except the elites who profit from them), so every single tax would be struck down. The economy would implode in six months, smaller roads would likely fall apart because Gotham cares nothing about Podunk, and we'd have a wreck of a country by the end of a year. You would have a government without a president or electoral college to blame, but you could blame the masses for every bad decision.
Yeah, it was a pain in the ass. Which is why after the thing shorted, we didn't fix and went back to gas. I hate the oeligras (TM) it leaves behind, and the stench it leaves on my clothes. But it's easier to push that the damned electric mower.
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Frank Apisa wrote:
Any liberal advocating for the end of the filibuster...is a goddam idiot. The filibuster is of much more value for the liberals in the Senate...than the conservatives. The conservatives, by virtue of the protocols established at the time of the Republic's founding, have a HUGE advantage in the composition of the Senate. (And, of course, the Electoral College.) The only possible salvation for the liberal perspective IS the filibuster. Without it, the conservative agenda will dominate proceedings there.
Advocating for the end of the filibuster is much like the moron, Trump, advocating for the end of the Electoral College, which he was doing early in his administration, until some of the Republicans got him to shut up.
Fact is, the moments the Republicans take back control of the Senate, they will probably do away with the filibuster on many more issues. Easiest way to end the filibuster on most items is to let the Republican take over. They will do it for the liberals!
Well stated Frank. Interesting we feel the same way on these issues.
