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This is Biden's America

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 10:41 am
I've written about Democrats' losing on purpose over the years, sabotaging true forward policies. When I mention the indefensible, I get crickets. For instance nobody condemned Shumer for fast tracking Trump judges instead of doing his best to fight. That's why I quit arguing basically. People believe what they are expected to believe. I know Frank is turning purple trying to turn it around. He has a bit of an advantage because I don't peek at any of his posts and collapse posts that quote him. So I wouldn't know if he made any sense.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 10:47 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I've written about Democrats' losing on purpose over the years, sabotaging true forward policies. When I mention the indefensible, I get crickets. For instance nobody condemned Shumer for fast tracking Trump judges instead of doing his best to fight. That's why I quit arguing basically. People believe what they are expected to believe. I know Frank is turning purple trying to turn it around. He has a bit of an advantage because I don't peek at any of his posts and collapse posts that quote him. So I wouldn't know if he made any sense.


You know if I make sense, because I do.

A childish person would put someone on IGNORE...and collapse any posts quoting that person...as would a coward.

So, which are you, Edgar?
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hightor
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 11:13 am
@edgarblythe,
All the things you list could be accomplished with a larger Democratic majority in the House and a super majority of Dems in the Senate. Without that, change will continue to be piecemeal. Much of what hasn't gotten done is either due to Republican obstruction or simply due to the continually emerging effects of the pandemic.

Quote:
Nothing will substantially change.

Not unless progressives and moderates quit attacking each other and start working together to elect more Democrats. It's unlikely that Biden will run again – but if the Democratic Party goes into the '24 race at war with itself you can forget about progressive politics in the USA. Sandbagging Joe Biden in '22 is not the way to achieve a victory for progressives in '24.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 23 Jun, 2022 11:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

All the things you list could be accomplished with a larger Democratic majority in the House and a super majority of Dems in the Senate. Without that, change will continue to be piecemeal. Much of what hasn't gotten done is either due to Republican obstruction or simply due to the continually emerging effects of the pandemic.

Quote:
Nothing will substantially change.

Not unless progressives and moderates quit attacking each other and start working together to elect more Democrats. It's unlikely that Biden will run again – but if the Democratic Party goes into the '24 race at war with itself you can forget about progressive politics in the USA. Sandbagging Joe Biden in '22 is not the way to achieve a victory for progressives in '24.



Lots of what you said here is spot on, Hightor.

I probably would have highlighted "attacks" on Joe Biden and/or Democratic Senators and Reps...rather than each other, but your thoughts are on the mark. The right is doing an excellent job of attacking Joe Biden and the Dems in Congress...they do not need the constant help of the far left in that. Nobody on the left is happy that the move leftward is not happening faster than it is, but that simply is the way our nation is now constituted. We are, for whatever reason, a right leaning population. And the institutional make-up of our nation give the right a huge boost.

We gotta do something about it, but it becomes a "who is going to bell the cat" kind of situation.
hightor
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 11:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
To me it's mind-boggling that any progressive who has seen the Trumpified Republican Party in action would even consider not doing all they can to derail the MAGA movement. Who do they want to fill the next Supreme Court vacancy, considering that Thomas and Alito are getting on in years?
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 12:13 pm
The Democrats invent ways to lose and keep drifting to the right. If they can do anything they stall or claim they are blocked in some way so they don't have to try. They talk some of the talk but their feet are motionless. I consider the Democrats the only organization big enough to stop the wholesale destruction going on and that's why I gig them. You may not think they can do better but I do.





neptuneblue
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 01:18 pm
Now as the I, Sparticus soapbox interruption is nearly over, we will return to the difficult position of two parties with two vastly different agendas trying to push their own agendas.

Lay your cards down, ladies and gents, cuz it's anyone's guess what will happen...
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hightor
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 02:12 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm not going to argue with you. But I think the country is institutionally constipated, operating on an 18th century playbook, you know, back when a skilled marksman might be able to squeeze off two or three rounds per minute and news took weeks travel from one corner of the country to the other. Our representation is not democratic and a committed minority can often thwart the will of the majority. Incremental improvement is all we can hope for until we get a good hand – two consecutive liberal administrations, liberal majorities in Congress, and twelve or sixteen years in power.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 23 Jun, 2022 02:15 pm
@hightor,
Increments pave the road to hell.
hightor
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 02:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
We're already in hell.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 02:30 pm
@hightor,
Hence my words concerning increments.
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 02:37 pm
This example of increments in reverse is the sort of thing that makes me dubious.

Joe Biden Has Picked a Longtime Social Security Privatizer to Oversee Social Security

https://auth.jacobinmag.com/2022/06/andrew-biggs-biden-social-security-privatization
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 03:57 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

I'm not going to argue with you. But I think the country is institutionally constipated, operating on an 18th century playbook, you know, back when a skilled marksman might be able to squeeze off two or three rounds per minute and news took weeks travel from one corner of the country to the other. Our representation is not democratic and a committed minority can often thwart the will of the majority. Incremental improvement is all we can hope for until we get a good hand – two consecutive liberal administrations, liberal majorities in Congress, and twelve or sixteen years in power.


Not only can the minority thwart the will of the majority, Hightor, it can, at times, become victorious over the majority. Particularly since our institutional protocols often assist it. Trump became president over the will of the majority in the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton got 3,000,000 more popular votes than Trump...yet he became president. He won the election fair and square, because of those institutional protocols.

Trump lost this last election by 7,000,000 popular votes...and lost the Electoral College in a landslide, but has been able to pretend a win, because of backing by a minority.

You are not going to convince someone as dedicated as Edgar or Lash. They and their kind do massive damage to reason (intentionally, or unintentionally)...and think they should be applauded for their rationalizations for doing so.

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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 06:47 pm
Warren Calls on Biden to End Trump-Era Plan Aimed at Privatizing Medicare

Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday joined physicians and dozens of her House Democratic colleagues in urging the Biden administration to immediately halt Medicare Direct Contracting, a Trump-era pilot that could result in complete privatization of the cherished public healthcare program by decade’s end.

“It is completely baffling to me that the Biden administration wants to give the same bad actors in Medicare Advantage free rein in traditional Medicare,” Warren (D-Mass.) said during a hearing held by the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Fiscal Responsibility and Economic Growth.

“My view is that President Biden should not permit Medicare to be handed over to corporate profiteers,” Warren added. “Doing so is going to increase costs and put more strain on the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund. The Biden administration should shut down the Direct Contracting model.”

https://truthout.org/articles/warren-calls-on-biden-to-end-trump-era-plan-aimed-at-privatizing-medicare/?fbclid=IwAR3l7lPFWUFG008jmOT_EcfwSYFzHilUYb-VqI9DLgbkS8iWE-m7SzCyPTYSignature
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 07:50 pm
On the other hand I just read an email from N Pelosi assuring me that Democrats will add six more seats in November.
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 23 Jun, 2022 10:26 pm
Anyone noticing the "as we seek" trope emerging from the Dems?

We need to increase oil production "as we seek" alternatives to fossil fuels.

We need to privatize Medicare "as we seek" to expand it.

We need to increase police funding "as we seek" to reform criminal justice.
neptuneblue
 
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Fri 24 Jun, 2022 06:29 am
@edgarblythe,
You see what you want to see and disregard any objections to some obvious pitfalls to your examples.

There ARE major issues with the disposal of alternatives to fossil fuels but you gloss right over the environmental impact they create. It's a start but no where near 100% feasible.

You are blaming Dems for the problems in Healthcare but it's actually a very complex issue. Your refusal to acknowledge that is very telling.

And Criminal Justice reform is happening with the expansion of Mental Health advocates. Of course policing will require more funding to include training and qualified personnel in communities.

You are angry you can't have everything you want, right here, right NOW. It's like a toddler stomping and holding their breath to force their will upon others. As technology grows and world problems increase, you just have to be patient, advocate for the things that matter the most to you and live the best you can.

And quit bitching so much...
edgarblythe
 
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Fri 24 Jun, 2022 07:44 am
Heard Elizabeth Warren question Powell about how raising interest rates would affect prices. His answers were that they would have no effect at all.
No one is confronting the elephant in the room: price gouging. It is time for us, we the people, to insist that the congress institute price controls and windfall taxes to serve notice to the oil companies and food processors that this behavior is unacceptable.
The Democratic Party, which appears to be in the pocket of the corporations in the same way as the Republicans, refuses to address these issues head-on. It is on us to make them understand that we will remove them from office if they do not move to protect both the people and the economy.
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 24 Jun, 2022 08:19 am
Connor discusses Tehran’s decision to formally drop their previous demand that the IRGC be removed from the Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) blacklist. Tehran has called Biden’s bluff. By removing what was ostensibly the final sticking point precluding a deal, Iran has placed the ball firmly in Washington’s court.

The U.S. has not yet responded to this major concession. However, the Treasury Department has added more sanctions and new reports are confirming Israel was behind the murder of Col. Hassan Sayyad Khodaei. Another new report reveals that, for years, Tel Aviv has been coordinating with the Pentagon over its myriad air strikes in Syria.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/kyle/coi-293-white-house-ignores-iranian-offer-to-relieve-nuclear-deal-impasse/
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 24 Jun, 2022 08:26 am
How'd we go from Dems saying they were gonna pass George Floyd Act and end qualified immunity to give the extra Covid money to the cops and Abrams running on giving them a raise?

This always happens, how was voting for the architect of Black mass incarceration gonna be different

As our Gov't does nothing but implement policies that are making our lives worse, remember how easily and quickly they all got together and raised the military budget a couple of times and gave billions to the weapons manufacturers and Ukraine.

Promises kept

$2000 checks -> $1400 checks
CARES Act -> trillions to rich
George Floyd Act -> More for cops
Public Option -> Higher Medicare costs
$15 min wage -> get a shot or lose job
Make MBS pay -> Beg for oil
BBB -> Record inflation
Reduce poverty -> Billions to Ukraine
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