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Imminent Return of Jesus

 
 
nycdad
 
Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 02:03 am
A person does not have to be an astute student of prophecy to realize that many things are occurring today that have prophetic significance. Because wrong interpretations of prophecy have been made, some shy away from any attempt to understand what God is doing today. While we must be careful not to read too much into current events, a careful study of Scripture reveals some graphic signs which suggest that the rapture of the church could be very near. And that should encourage us, for the belief in the imminent coming of the Lord is a blessed, happy expectation (Titus 2 verse 13).

John F. Walvoord

What do you say? Do you agree with the late John F. Walvoord?
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 05:57 am
People steeped in those "prophesies" collectively work whether consciously or unwittingly to make them come true. But no matter how much destruction they engineer, there will be no Jesus. Then they will feel silly and embarrassed sitting atop or lying under all the rubble.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 11:50 am
@nycdad,
When Jesus left, he said he was going to be back real soon.

Since then we have had almost 2000 years of floods, famines, pandemics, wars, comets, volcanos, earthquakes and tyrants. Empires have formed and disappears. Entire cultures were wiped of the globe. In the 1600s 25 millions people were killed by the Black death. In 1913 the world was covered in a horrible war followed by the Spanish flu (which killed millions).

The time we live in right now is actually pretty good. With modern science we have literally doubled the lifespan of humans. Fewer people are dying in war right now than at any other time in history. Fewer people are dying of famine then ever. For the first time in history we have the ability to feed the entire globe, and outside of a small portion of the globe in political turmoil, we are feeding everyone.

If Jesus comes back now, it would be a bit of a bummer.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 01:30 pm
@nycdad,
nycdad wrote:

While we must be careful not to read too much into current events, a careful study of Scripture reveals some graphic signs which suggest that the rapture of the church could be very near.

Those looking for "graphic signs" will always find them. It's classic confirmation bias, selectively taking events and twisting them to match your favorite narrative. This exact sentence could have been written 20 years ago, fifty years ago, two hundred years ago, a thousand years ago.
nycdad
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 06:05 pm
@edgarblythe,
There is nothing wrong with believing that Jesus will return as promised in over 300 Bible verses. The Bible tells us in the book of 2nd Peters that one day is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day to God. Why is that true? God is eternal. God lives in eternity where life is not subject to time.
Jesus ascended to heaven slightly over 2,000 years ago. If this is true, then Jesus left slightly 2 days ago.
nycdad
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 06:07 pm
@maxdancona,
The Bible tells us in the book of 2nd Peters that one day is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day to God. Why is that true? God is eternal. God lives in eternity where life is not subject to time. Jesus ascended to heaven slightly over 2,000 years ago. If this is true, then Jesus left slightly 2 days ago.
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nycdad
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 06:10 pm
@engineer,
I don't have all the answers. Over 300 Bible verses talk about the Second Coming of Jesus in great detail. The Bible tells us in the book of 2nd Peters that one day is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day to God. Why is that true? God is eternal. God lives in eternity where life is not subject to time. Jesus ascended to heaven slightly over 2,000 years ago. If this is true, then Jesus left slightly 2 days ago.
engineer
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 08:22 pm
@nycdad,
Or two million years ago.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 19 May, 2021 09:22 pm
@nycdad,
I don't buy this argument at all. If he tells human beings that he is going to come back "soon", he should have the decency to return in their lifetime. When someone says they will "be right back" and then you sit there waiting for an hour and they never show up, at some point you need to accept the fact that they are blowing you off.

Either He is isn't coming, or maybe he already came and no one noticed.
nycdad
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 01:19 am
@maxdancona,
I don't have all the answers. If you read the Bible verses that talk about the Second Coming of Jesus, you will have a different point of view. Jesus said to be ready for He is coming back in an hour we do not expect. The Second Coming of Jesus is the hope of Christians around the globe. The good news is that the dead in Christ are not going to miss this event.

The Second Coming is divided into two phases:

A. Christ coming for His church aka the rapture of the church.

1. This event is imminent. Nothing has to happen for the rapture to take place.
2. Christ does not touch the earth. Believers meet Jesus in the air.

B. Christ coming with the saints (the church) and the angels on the clouds of heaven.

1. This is a visible coming. Jesus comes down to earth descending on a cloud with "power and great glory."
2. This event happens exactly 7 years after the church is raptured. The great tribulation period must take place first.

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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 02:47 am
Given what happened to him the last time he showed up I don't imagine he'd want to repeat the experience.
nycdad
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 04:16 am
@hightor,
Are you serious? Jesus came to earth (the first time) as a sacrifice to pay for the sins of mankind through His death on the cross. The second time the Lord returns, He will not come as a Lamb to be killed and abused. The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus will return in "power and great glory."
Read Revelation chapter 6.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 04:29 am
@nycdad,
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Jesus came to earth ... as a sacrifice to pay for the sins of mankind through His death on the cross.


Um, he didn't "come to earth" – he was born here!

And "sacrifice" doesn't pay for anything. Especially when people still practice the behaviors you label as "sins". Explain the mechanism – how does depriving a creature of its life by violently killing it expiate the bad actions of others? It's a ridiculous concept.

Quote:
The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus will return in "power and great glory."


It's clearly more likely that the people who compiled those stories and legends didn't know what they were talking about.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 06:19 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Jesus came to earth ... as a sacrifice to pay for the sins of mankind through His death on the cross.


Um, he didn't "come to earth" – he was born here!

And "sacrifice" doesn't pay for anything. Especially when people still practice the behaviors you label as "sins". Explain the mechanism – how does depriving a creature of its life by violently killing it expiate the bad actions of others? It's a ridiculous concept.

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The Bible clearly tells us that Jesus will return in "power and great glory."


It's clearly more likely that the people who compiled those stories and legends didn't know what they were talking about.


That "died to pay for our sins" nonsense if crap on so many levels, I never cease to be amazed that people still try to sell it.

And ya gotta wonder about a god who tells its people: "I will forgive you your sins, but only if you first torture and kill my son!"

That entire mess sucks more than a black hole.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 06:43 am
If Jesus came back today, in 2021, where would he show up? I assume he would pop back up in Nazarath. Nazarath is now predominantly Arab (which is probably good since many Arabs are Christians).

If He came back, how would we know about it. I live near Boston... I only know about what happens in the Middle East when something blows up. A carpenter reappearing in Nazarth probably wouldn't make CNN.

How would we even know?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 07:13 am
@maxdancona,
If I were Jesus, the easiest thing would be to go to the Pope. But, even that would be difficult. You would have to show up with bottled water and a few cripples to make a demonstration.

Even if you got some attention, you would have to go through a commission of cardinals to validate the authenticity of your miracles... and these cardinals are very worried about the political implications. It is quite likely you would get a blessing and then be quietly sushed away.

Going to an American Church would be worse. Any White church would view Jesus as an Illegal Immigrant and he would end up languishing in some private prison in Kansas. If Jesus went to a liberal Church, he might get Sanctuary... there would be a big standoff with him in the Church and the ICE agents out. At least he would get press that way.

nycdad
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 07:56 am
@maxdancona,
2 Peter chapter 3 versus 3 to 13.

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

Apostle Peter
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 08:46 am
@nycdad,
1. So,,, what does this mean? "The elements will be destroyed by fire and the earth and everyone on it will be laid bare". This sound's like a bombing.

In 2000 years, is Jesus going to show up and start bombing things? This sounds kind of like a bad thing for Jesus to do (more Lex Luther than Jesus).

2. I personally don't care what happens in 2000 years, do you? In 2000 years my great-grandchildren will be long gone, and most of the countries we know now won't even exist.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 09:46 am
@nycdad,
nycdad wrote:

There is nothing wrong with believing that Jesus will return as promised in over 300 Bible verses. The Bible tells us in the book of 2nd Peters that one day is like 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day to God. Why is that true? God is eternal. God lives in eternity where life is not subject to time.
Jesus ascended to heaven slightly over 2,000 years ago. If this is true, then Jesus left slightly 2 days ago.


I don't question one's right to believe it. I just question the mindset that works to ensure the war comes as a fulfillment of one's hopes.
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 02:04 pm
He already returned many times. You must have missed him.
 

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