How does one PROVE that SELF is an illusion?

The OBSERVER can be inside or outside of the rabbit hole.

The OBSERVER is not constrained by the rabbit hole.

Is space made up of what can only be described as BUBBLES?

I agree that there is bungee bungee going on out there in the cosmos all the time...which I believe you may be referring to with regard to your words illusive/substantial.

The correlation in philosophy is SELF “toggling” between consciousness states as we now know.

Science and Philosophy are now both looking to understand the STILL/BALANCED state more.

This is my understanding.

Science/Philosophy has been too pre-occupied withe + and - it would appear..

All attention now needs to be focussed on NEUTRAL

LOL...the problem with this is that even NEUTRAL has +/- bias.........ummmmm….......philosophy says so...…

.....we are back to the 4 off logic output possibilities again.....

Correction......the problem with this is that even NEUTRAL has a "TOGGLING"+/- bias......

"Smart behavior or Foolish behavior?"
Piggy thinks that their behavior is NOT foolish.
Can you find such a statement in the search engine?
No.4: Jasper10’s comment in a2k: “…(jigsaw pieces) start sharing their findings/experiences.The overall jigsaw can then be pieced together. Sciences are all interconnected.”
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Even SR and QM can be interconnected in piggy’s theory…Those “prisoner of consciousness” just dubbed the pig "anti science"

Well which logic does one adopt when one arrives at NEUTRAL?

0,1..1,0 OR 0,0...0,1...1,0..1,1 logic ?

One will always be a Positive or Negative Nihilist (NEUTRAL) because we always make a choice in the end.

We do have free will after all.

Philosophy is just the bone frame. There is other thing: the pork. As we talked once upon a time, you use one general word “toggle”, while piggy has to use “projection”, “vibration”, “oscillation” and “turn around”, etc, in different situations.

We talk about NEUTRAL ahead in the neutrino case and the simple experiment of the “steel wire circle with a breach”. No matter it’s just a steel wire circle with a breach (NEUTRAL), or we twist it to left handed / right handed, the affair belongs to the category of the PRESENCE and SELF.

We also talk about NEUTRAL in another thread. It means the PRESENCE or SELF which would not be controlled by different “consciousness types”. The affair belongs to the category of the PRESENCE and SELF too.

In the category of the PRESENCE and SELF, only the absolute 2 – off logic is applicable. But the absolute 2 – off logic is just to tell people the absolute difference of the objectivity of PRESENCE and SELF, while the habitual expression of “good is good, bad is bad” is not enough to represent all difference: pig is pig, rabbit is rabbit, elephant is elephant, monkey is monkey…We know the principle, it will be enough.

Also NEUTRAL can be a description for “vibration and balance” in the rabbit game.

Moreover, what’s “prisoner of consciousness”? The “speculator”? And such guys as you and piggy who have entered the new era of PRESENCE and SELF, the “player”?
“Speculator” and “player” are absolutely different in the objectivity of PRESENCE and SELF. “Speculator” is “Speculator”, “player” is “player”.
But never underestimate the effect of such kind of artificial definition as “authentic / standard” vs “eccentric / anti science”. Their behavior is very smart in society. Nonetheless, it’s much better than the absolute dark sanction of the First Order. That’s really killing without bleeding. haha

@Jasper 10:
“SELF then becomes AWARE of the forces at play within the matter.”
Piggy moves your this comment in the pig’s cosmos thread here. Perhaps here is an appropriate place to further discuss it.

As piggy said yesterday in the pig’s cosmos thread that “Well piggy always feels that in pure philosophy people concern more about “subjective consciousness”, while in science people concern more about specific physical environment. The meaning and function of SELF might be a bit different.”

Piggy illustrated ahead that the meaning of SELF in science should be the “inherent property” of matter. Such objectivity of SELF is physical. (such as the moustache or long ears.)

While the SELF in pure philosophy as you always say “SELF then becomes AWARE…” means people’s “heart”? It’s obvious that the consciousness and behavior of those guys who are UNAWARE is different from those guys who are AWARE. So, seems that there must be something in CONTROL. That means SELF in the body should not be abstract.It is similar to the software of the computer.

Actually the software could also be considered as the “inherent property” of the computer. It’s something physical too. Philosophy vs science, no contradiction. High five!

Well if SELF doesn’t sit down at the computer and take CONTROL it will default to “idle mode” ……AUTOPILOT!!!…..This is why SELF needs to be in CONTROL of consciousness states….and shift the CONSCIOUSNESS state to MANUAL!!!!

Thoughts are the software…we are not thoughts however…we have thoughts.

I am…therefore I think.

Then, what's an idiot mean exactly in philosophy? A computer without any software sits inside it? Then, it will not be able to do anything substantial except emitting this “?” and that “?” randomly into the night sky…
Bounce..

The point is that SELF should be control of the biological machine.The biological machine should not be in control SELF.

This control should be in AWARENESS rather than UNAWARENESS.

SELF is not the hardware or the software.SELF sits in the chair.

In the space between matter at the quantum level??????

Again, piggy try to pull science to substantial, you try to pull it back to illusive.

No not really…It’s not illusive at all…..just not understood fully yet.

How to understand more and more?
Or confuse more and more?

You are right….….a few steps back are in order I think…to let the mind process things.

With regard to your below statement.....

...How to understand more and more?
….Or confuse more and more?

As long as one keys in FULL information into the computer rather than HALF information and don't ASSUME just one way only then yes ok one might be confused initially but then eventually one will see it /get it....the output of FULL information rather than HALF information never disappoints....However, as far as HALF info goes ....if one keys rubbish in one gets rubbish out as they say.

Piggy’s point is that if the computer updates its software, it’s AWARE and is capable to do more.