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How does one PROVE that SELF is an illusion?

 
 
htam9876
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 06:02 pm
@Leadfoot,
The direct translation of the term “die hard” is 死硬 (definitively / absolutely die) in Chinese.
But in the expression of “spirit die hard”, the “die hard” seems not “definitively / absolutely die”. It seems “it’s very difficult to be eliminated”.
Sometimes, it’s really hard for piggy to understand what a word / term means exactly in English. haha
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 09:18 pm
@htam9876,
Literal 'die hard' is as you said, absolutely die.

Die hard in spirit of movie is opposite. Fight with all strength so spirit not die.

Maybe you saw movie 'One Flew Over Coo Coo's Nest'. Same story. McMurphy fought hard and body died, but not spirit.
htam9876
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 03:05 pm
@Leadfoot,
Actually piggy is not able to access many foreign media. We had a relevant discussion in PHF:
https://physicshelpforum.com/threads/introducing-myself-philippe-from-china.15341/post-44418

Piggy only can find such a paragraph on web:
“conformity in America has showed greatly during 1950 through 1960. The book, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey, is a great example on rebellion vs. conformity. Ken Kesey has used a lot of character in the book, but each character has its own significance. In the novel, Nurse Rached represent the conformity on the ward of hospital, because she always love the power to control everything and all the events in the ward have to follow in a certain pattern that would satisfied Nurse Rached. On the other hand, McMurphy, represents the rebellion towards Nurse Ratched's power of control; which is trying to do everything against Nurse Rached's will. All the fashions and environments in the 1950s, people tend to follow the same thing that others have, such as clothes, cars, hairstyles, and many others. It was very uncommon for anyone to uphold something different than what was determined tolerable. As time moves to 1960s, things were no longer the same. Youth rebelled against the whole conformity idea that was popular in the 1950s. Younger generations have started to listen to Rock-n-Roll music, dress very distinctively than others, and overall, they are trying to stand out. It is apparent throughout the novel that Mcmurphy is symbolic towards rebellion while Nurse Ratched is a supporter of conformity.”
Is it this one?
……………………………….
Why piggy has to be subjected to the control of the local dark lords of the Jiangmen city? Why piggy has to be in conformity with their will? What a joke in 21st century.
Piggy trusts that the positive spirit of exploration never dies.
给他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁一个超文革赛阎王光荣称号快快全世界全宇宙打靶啦。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
htam9876
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 03:08 pm
No matter those “authentic” guys consider how “standard” their “consciuosness” is, no matter they feel comfortable or uncomfortable, science does has entered into a new era of SELF and PRESENCE in a2k first.
In this new era of SELF and PRESENCE, we can have a more in – depth cognition about the essence of nature, perhaps.
Actually what piggy care now is how to dig a hole under the fence and flee to America before the First Order decides to shout “execute”…
https://physicshelpforum.com/data/attachments/2/2273-a94a618ebde70e0be30309784aa0eefa.jpg
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 15 May, 2021 05:51 am
@htam9876,
Quote:
It is apparent throughout the novel that Mcmurphy is symbolic towards rebellion while Nurse Ratched is a supporter of conformity.”
Is it this one?
That is the one.

And that is the common interpretation of the movie. But rebellion was not McMurphy's motivation. McMurphy was just mentally free from the absurd constraints that society thinks are necessary. McMurphy was just being McMurphy, no rebellion, just the collision of very different world views.

Wish you could have seen it. The symbolism of McMurphy's spirit being reborn in the Chief after McMurphy's body died made me cry like a little bitch.
htam9876
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2021 02:14 pm
@Leadfoot,
“But rebellion was not McMurphy's motivation. McMurphy was just mentally free from the absurd constraints that society thinks are necessary. McMurphy was just being McMurphy, no rebellion, just the collision of very different world views.”
No bad a comment.
It’s the collision of other’s consciousness with the SELF of one’s own.
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htam9876
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2021 05:03 pm
Of course, the First Order wants the “constraint” and CONTROL, always.
But why should piggy must be in conformity with their consciousness (the half – self payment watchman or a drudge)?
Piggy’s SELF is on the journey to explore the new era of science with brilliant scientists worldwide.

If piggy surrenders again, they would laugh in dream at night. How successful they are. How glorious they will be. That’s their will. That’s their ambition.

The worst might be that no matter how much social resource they would input, how complicated / cruel their game would be, they must maintain their consciousness (as the “standard”).
Human civilization is going back to the Neolithic era. Bounce…
给他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁一个超文革赛阎王光荣称号快快全世界全宇宙打靶啦。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
Jasper10
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2021 12:21 am
@htam9876,
Piggy’s SELF has now climbed up the pendulum to the “FULCRUM” has he not?

At least it’s STILL there.

htam9876
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2021 05:46 pm
@Jasper10,
Fun.
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htam9876
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2021 05:51 pm
Yes, piggy’s SELF is STILL there (FULCRUM) associated with the PRESENCE.

My G*, that “authentic” rabbit Dandan is “still” bungee bungee on the pendulum:
https://physicshelpforum.com/threads/is-dimensional-analysis-valid-in-the-multidimensional-space-introduce-your-source.16151/post-51971
Haha…

Actually the so called energy - momentum equation E² = p²c² + (m0c²)² and the equation E = pc is non sense in philosophy: If E is internal energy (the SELF), why it must be associated with the movement (momentum p)?

The so called energy - momentum equation E² = p²c² + (m0c²)² is actually a tricky math game and such representation as “for a massless particle, its energy E = pc” is just math game too, as piggy interpreted in the thread “How to understand the energy - momentum equation in a natural way” in the Relativity forum.
URL: https://able2know.org/topic/551152-1

Einstein’s original energy – mass equation can be STILL there E = m0c².

Have a lovely day, guys. haha

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htam9876
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2021 06:19 pm
This time, in the transition of science from the “relativistic subconsciousness era” to the “SELF and PRESENCE era”, PHILOSOPHY shows it.

Actually, science has been constrained / terminated by the so called “standard” consciousness over the past decades..
Science can reborn with its SELF. Its SELF is STILL there.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2021 01:27 am
@htam9876,
Is the fixed point (ANCHOR POINT/FULCRUM ) an ABSOLUTE in psychology/science? Ummm....maybe...certainly a significant landmark....

What is becoming increasing clear is that PSYCHOLOGY/SCIENCE both need to be AWARE of the above anchor point and at least endeavour to get CONTROL of CONSCIOUSNESS types ..........as ALWAYS with the assistance of PRESENCE.

PSYCHOLOGY and SCIENCE appear comfortable in each other’s PRESENCE at last....
htam9876
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2021 01:44 pm
@Jasper10,
Yes, it seems to be. Ummm …
Power and authority seems to be the ABSOLUTE / “standard” ANCHOR POINT. “…significant landmark” they are. Haha
SELF is ever the tramp in cosmos.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 01:23 am
@htam9876,
There are two different types of force in physics...the electrical force and the magnetising force...Both interact.

Clearly, there are correlations between the way these forces interact which appears similar to psychologies consciousness types (manual /autopilot) interactions .....i.e. +M /-M and “Toggling” +/- electrical waveforms.

Interesting......
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 05:58 am
@Jasper10,
Quote:
There are two different types of force in physics...the electrical force and the magnetising force...Both ...
Me thinks you left out a few. It ain’t that simple.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 06:33 am
@Leadfoot,
Now that the 4 off logic output possibilities are established and carry equal credence to the the 2 off logic output possibilities (which is now out of date philosophy) we need to start viewing things differently.

I would agree with you in that the way the mind works and how we interact with it might be complex...but then again,maybe it isn’t?....who knows...let’s see how things progress...

One thing is sure,we need to start thinking in a completely different way and this includes ALL sciences.

What other forces were you thinking about that we need to consider? My view is that this is a joint effort that all sciences need to embrace.
htam9876
 
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Reply Thu 20 May, 2021 06:54 pm
@Jasper10,
Bounce…
+ charge and - charge are different kinds of SELF. Not SELF “Toggling”.
Interaction or say force is something between one PRESENCE and another PRESENCE (or say one SELF and another SELF). Perhaps “the electrical force and the magnetising force” “appears similar to psychologies consciousness types”, but it’s not SELF “Toggling” either.

The fun thing is that electricity and magnetism “appears similar to” honey (one SELF two aspects). But “one SELF two aspects” is not SELF “Toggling” either.

The SELF of electromagnetism is property of 4D space, different and additive to those SELF of 3D space ahead which correlate to dynamic and gravitational situation.
……………………………………..
“One thing is sure, we need to start thinking in a completely different way and this includes ALL sciences.”
No bad a comment.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2021 01:47 am
@htam9876,
I thought I would throw the below into the equation for “fun”consideration.....

The reason I mentioned electrical and magnetising forces is because they interact and may result in sinusoidal (+/-) waveforms.THOUGHTS are electrical signals that cause output emotions....(along with the five senses).

SELF is clearly embroiled within this process and is either AWARE or UNAWARE of the two consciousness types.SELF is either in CONTROL or not CONTROL of the consciousness types.

What is interesting is that there are two types of thought interaction:

1.The STILL interaction.
2.The MOVEMENT interaction.

PRESENCE is AWARE that SELF gets embroiled with thoughts and as a result SELF experiences the two consciousness types but this ONLY occurs if SELF engages in item 2 (above) thought interaction.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2021 03:25 am
@Jasper10,
SELF needs to engage in item 1 thought interaction more....
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2021 05:03 am
@Jasper10,
Quote:
What other forces were you thinking about that we need to consider?
The most obvious and mysterious one (big G - Gravity) and a couple of others.

BTW, The Electromagnetic Force is only considered to be ONE of the forces, not two, but that always made me suspicious.
 

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