Is freewill biblical or something we invented ?

@davidsheep88,

Listen to this verses and see wisdom in it.

Heb 4:12, For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

The quoting of a scripture is not necessarily an accusation; but is normally a probe into the life of the one to whom the scripture is quoted, to discern the thoughts and intents of his or her heart.

If the scripture that has been quoted does not apply to you, then simply say so.

The Holy Spirit can reveal to you whether the scripture in question applies to you or not.

God Himself elevated His word above His own name (Psalms 138:2). God is above evrything ;D and he can change it all for you and your destiny.

If you don't sin, then you probably are aware of that fact.

If you do commit sin and cannot cease from doing so, then I am certain that you would also be aware of that, if it be so.

But when we quote the scriptures it is in order to shed light on a situation. And the light will reveal the truth of the matter

0 Replies

@davidsheep88,

davidsheep88 wrote:

The scientist goes to into A forum in famous museum hosting if God exist or not ? In paris and shows to the world that God does not exist and he neither good or evil ,Church minister ask a scientist if an apple is sweet or sour that he is eating and the scientist said " it is impossible to know that" and the minister said " just like you can't prove God exist but you know an apple exist, you do knot the know the truth ? " it shows that Frank you can't tell God exist but still you know an apple exists and someone created that apple.

Our God gave us to choose and make our won future and you can change your future if you put God first in life.

Nature may have created all the stuff you people want to INSIST was created by a god. And even if there are gods...none of those gods may be the being you people INSIST is GOD.

So...stop the nonsense. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with making blind guesses on the issue. But that is all you people are doing...making blind guesses on the issue...just like the people who INSIST that there are no gods are making a blind guess on the issue.

If you want to blindly guess there is a god...and if you want to put that god "first in your life"...do it. But for you to suppose that if I do that I will "change (my) future) is silly.

0 Replies

@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

I have no idea if you are stupid or not. But if you are not...then you are being dishonest.

That removes all doubt about the situation for me at least.

2 Replies

@Leadfoot,

If there is a God then it is obvious that that God doesn’t provide definitive proof of his existence and therefore both sides of the debate can only hope that that God exists or not.Well that God hasn’t done so up to now anyway.

Frank uses the word guess because it suits his philosophy better.

No matter.

For me,the point is if a God does exist you would hope that that God knows the heart of the individuals that he may have created.

0 Replies

@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
I have no idea if you are stupid or not. But if you are not...then you are being dishonest.

That removes all doubt about the situation for me at least.

So...you are dishonest.

2 Replies

@Frank Apisa,

I think he's trying to be enigmatic, it doesn't suit him.

0 Replies

@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

Quote:
I have no idea if you are stupid or not. But if you are not...then you are being dishonest.

Leadfoot:
That removes all doubt about the situation for me at least.

Frank:
So...you are dishonest.

See, that’s the thing, I don’t believe you believe that either. But then again, you always say you don’t believe anything. So we can both be satisfied I guess. It’s really not enigmatic. I truly am naive, as Izzy testifies.

2 Replies

@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
Quote:
I have no idea if you are stupid or not. But if you are not...then you are being dishonest.

Leadfoot:
That removes all doubt about the situation for me at least.

Frank:
So...you are dishonest.

See, that’s the thing, I don’t believe you believe that either. But then again, you always say you don’t believe anything. So we can both be satisfied I guess. It’s really not enigmatic. I truly am naive, as Izzy testifies.

By saying that "that removes all doubt", you seemed to be suggesting that you are dishonest. I may be wrong, but I cannot make that remark seem reasonable without that conclusion.

Try to make a cogent response once in a while...and maybe we can make some headway.

You are correct, I do not do "believing"...meaning I do not disguise my guesses, estimates or suppositions by calling them "beliefs."

1 Reply

@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

By saying that "that removes all doubt", you seemed to be suggesting that you are dishonest. I may be wrong, but I cannot make that remark seem reasonable without that conclusion.

Try to make a cogent response once in a while...and maybe we can make some headway.

You are correct, I do not do "believing"...meaning I do not disguise my guesses, estimates or suppositions by calling them "beliefs."

You probably couldn’t make sense of it because our contexts differ. Since we have not discussed anything other than theology and the nature of 'belief', my remarks encompass everything we’ve said to one another over several years.

To be as un-enigmatic as possible, I think your definition of 'a belief' being synonymous with 'a guess' is not only wrong but it lacks any utility in life, God or no God.

There are guesses and there are beliefs; it is not controversial to say that they are not the same thing. And it would be a terrible handicap in life if one actually lived as if they were. I don’t actually believe anyone can. If I’m wrong about that, I’d feel bad for them.

But what I’ve always wanted to know is, what made you so extremely cautious about having beliefs? Been tragically wrong once? We all been there at least once I’d guess.

1 Reply

@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

It’s really not enigmatic. I truly am naive, as Izzy testifies.

You're still doing it.

And it still doesn't suit.

1 Reply

@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

Quote:
By saying that "that removes all doubt", you seemed to be suggesting that you are dishonest. I may be wrong, but I cannot make that remark seem reasonable without that conclusion.

Try to make a cogent response once in a while...and maybe we can make some headway.

You are correct, I do not do "believing"...meaning I do not disguise my guesses, estimates or suppositions by calling them "beliefs."

You probably couldn’t make sense of it because our contexts differ. Since we have not discussed anything other than theology and the nature of 'belief', my remarks encompass everything we’ve said to one another over several years.

To be as un-enigmatic as possible, I think your definition of 'a belief' being synonymous with 'a guess' is not only wrong but it lacks any utility in life, God or no God.

As I have OFTEN said, with regard to whether or not there are any gods...any "belief"...whether the "belief" is that there are gods; that is a GOD; or that there are no gods...cannot be anything other than a guess...a BLIND GUESS.

If you do not see that, it has nothing to do with context. It has to do with delusion on your part.

Quote:

There are guesses and there are beliefs; it is not controversial to say that they are not the same thing.

With regard to whether there are any gods or not...or the nature of any gods that might exist...the only thing a "belief" is...IS A BLIND GUESS.

If you cannot see that, you are refusing to see it.

Quote:

And it would be a terrible handicap in life if one actually lived as if they were. I don’t actually believe anyone can. If I’m wrong about that, I’d feel bad for them.

You use the word "believe" carelessly here. You actually mean to say (using the word "believe") that you believe no one can. There is a huge difference between "I do not 'believe" X" and "I 'believe" not-X." That is discussed in great detail several times in my topic, "I do not believe gods exist...but I do not believe there are no gods."
https://able2know.org/topic/190405-1

Quote:

But what I’ve always wanted to know is, what made you so extremely cautious about having beliefs? Been tragically wrong once? We all been there at least once I’d guess.

Stop being stupid. It has nothing whatever to being "tragically wrong once." Beliefs are nothing but guesses...and I have had lots that have been wrong. (Especially some made at Garden State Park, where I often guess on 10 to 1 shots that do not even show.)

1 Reply

@Frank Apisa,

I would have been stupid had I expected any other answer.

2 Replies

@Leadfoot,

The problem individuals have is that they don’t recognise the part of themselves that is something other than the questions they are asking such as,

Does God Exist?….Doesn’t God Exist?

Frank,for example, doesn’t believe he knows whether the part of himself which asks these 2 questions exists or not and he isn’t prepared to guess so he doesn’t.

Well, the questions where asked and a part of his make up asked them.

It doesn’t matter that the part of Frank which has asked these questions cannot be defined.That is irrelevant.

The thing that matters is that there needs to be a part of Frank that exists first to be able to ask those questions in the first place.

You can’t ask a question if you don’t exist in whatever form that might be.

1 Reply

@Jasper10,

There is a part of our make up that exists or we wouldn’t be able to ask the question whether a God exists or not.There is no need to guess on the point of whether that part of our ourself exists or not.

An individual already has definitive proof that a part of ourself exists and is responsible asking the questions even though that part of ourself cannot be defined.

Only a fool would think they need to guess on their existence or not.

1 Reply

@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

I would have been stupid had I expected any other answer.

You've got a long way to go before becoming not-stupid, Leadfoot.

In any case, good move in diverting from further argument about whether a religious "belief" is a blind guess or not.

0 Replies

@Jasper10,

Yes, I get that cogito, ergo sum thing all the time, and in so many ways.

Maybe you’re right about that digital nature of everything. Ya either see it, or you don’t. The answer will only collapse into its wave function when God decides to look.

1 Reply

@izzythepush,

Quote:

Leadfoot:
It’s really not enigmatic. I truly am naive, as Izzy testifies.

Izzy:
You're still doing it.

And it still doesn't suit.

I know, I know…

I wish I had one of those killer British accents, they’re either super funny or wise beyond question. Double plus sucks to be a yank these days, I don’t know why the Brits are following right along, EU as well.

See how I changed the subject there..

I suck at sarcasm too

1 Reply

@Leadfoot,

Or …..”I am, therefore think”…. and the answers to the 2 questions collapse into their wave functions because neither contribute to the “I am” which isn’t a thought.

0 Replies

@Leadfoot,

A British accent, one that is simultaneously English, Welsh and Scots?

No such accent exists, you mean an English accent, if you're going to attempt sarcasm it would help to use the right vernacular.

1 Reply

@izzythepush,

So, not a good Anglophile either.

1 Reply

Is freewill biblical or something we invented ?

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know