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Is freewill biblical or something we invented ?

 
 
Dr Huff
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2021 05:16 pm
@Jasper10,
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LOGIC confirms that you cannot claim that free will is an illusion

And exactly what LOGIC is that? Let's have your syllogism or other propositional form that confirms I cannot claim that free will is an illusion. I await.

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AWARENESS sits above consciousness and has greater authority.

Really!!! Awareness now has authority, even "greater authority." How quaint,..........meaningless,.......... and utterly irrelevant.


Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2021 11:43 pm
@Dr Huff,
The 0,0...0,1...1,0...1,1 logic........where have you been? It’s been explained and is sound.

Utterly meaningless to a person who is trapped “a prisoner of consciousness”.

I agree.

AWARENESS and CONSCIOUSNESS are separate and different.

There are 2 off consciousness types.... you need to become AWARE of this...clearly you are not yet AWARE of this yet.....because you haven’t taken CONTROL of the mind.







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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2021 11:59 pm
@Dr Huff,
Simply put...your whole philosophy is based upon 0,1...1,0 logic...i.e. good is bad and bad is good.

LOGIC says good is good and bad is bad as well....0,0...1,1.

As it cannot be definitively proven one way or the other whether god is bad or not then you have to accept 0,0..0,1..1,0..1,1 logic rather than just 0,1...1,0 logic.

Well you don’t have to accept anything if you don’t want to.You can remain in ignorance if you wish because you have the “free will” to do so.
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davidsheep88
 
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Reply Tue 27 Apr, 2021 07:38 pm
@Jasper10,
Science is important bt it is incomplete, no matter what there is something more important.
1 Corinthias 13:2
2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

Science is nothing for the people who were people of faith challenge the system help create the science of today. Hebrew scientist even the catholic church many first clergy unfortunately were man of faith who allowed the advancement of science.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Tue 27 Apr, 2021 11:15 pm
@davidsheep88,
It’s interesting that you use the word FAITH.

We KNOW it can’t be definitively proven by carnal means whether good is bad or not.

Just because one can’t define what good and bad is doesn’t mean one can just ASSUME they are the same.One can HOPE they are same and put all ones FAITH in that HOPE ....or one can ASSUME they are not the same and put all ones FAITH in that HOPE.

As it is an unknown factor whether good is bad or not it makes sense that one’s philosophy in life should be based upon all the possible logic outputs of 0,0...1,0...0,1...0,0 rather than only 0,1...1,0 logic outputs.

LOGIC says so, not me.

Today’s biological data and output reasonings/logic is incomplete,I agree.If ones HOPE and FAITH are only in these things,at least key in the correct data for the outputs.

Rest assured,ones belief systems are still intact if one does.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2021 12:44 am
@Jasper10,
Correction..last post statement should have read...

….....As it is an unknown factor whether good is bad or not it makes sense that one’s philosophy in life should be based upon all the possible logic outputs of 0,0...1,0...0,1...1,1 rather than only 0,1...1,0 logic outputs...…...
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papag
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2021 05:10 am
@davidsheep88,
“I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him.”—Deuteronomy 30:15, 19, 20.

God delivered the Israelites from slavery in Egypt and put before them the prospect of a free and happy life in the Promised Land. But all that would not come upon them automatically. To gain those blessings, they had to “choose life.” How? ‘By loving God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him.’

Today, a similar choice is before us, and how we choose will determine what our future will be. By choosing to love God, to listen to his voice, and to stick to him, we will in effect be choosing life—life everlasting on a paradise earth.

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The Anointed
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2021 09:17 pm
@davidsheep88,
He is the FIRST and the LAST
The BEGINNING and END
The ALPHA and OMEGA
The FATHER and SON.

The Omega who the alpha becomes, knows everything that you have done in his past according to your own 'Free Will'.
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davidsheep88
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2022 07:40 am
@davidsheep88,
This is the point only God who is creator of good and evil of light and darkness is who moves it all, we were never meant to understand. What would of happen if he would of not put the tree of good and evil and would of never enter this world. We would of being like children still with our envelope of innocence and be in front ogf God protected by him ?


Yes, our purpose was not good or evil and by human fault we felled. If the tree was not their we would of fallen one will ask ? Nope, everything has plan and God never wanted man in this position what was the purpose of the tree afterwards ? if he would never eaten of it would of other animals eat of it and not man ? or later remove as time passed ? We will never know ? What was really the purpose just as A test of not to be eatena nd alter remove by God ?





But still we know God said that man was like him and the angels that knoweth good and evil ! And still we realize the devil had freewill before us and he fell ! But we know that in our error of Adam we can decide not like the devil but do good in the mistake and rely on God's effort and not our owns and put things in God's hands. Our destiny can change and move but some of you question we cannot escape him or his destiny he saved for us. The question do you want the destiny he did not prepare and leave us in possibility of A million to one what will happen and man just be thrown in space and let him decide ? What will be the outcome if you can plan everyhing since your born from A baby and turn into an adult that instance and God gave you all the power of the future and destiny you wanted ? you will know what you know and you will make A decision better ?




No, this why it is better that inside this world we live we can live in many possibilities and be saved by grace and baptized from sin into salvation and put love into salvation ! We would not of found our destiny if we could decide our destiny in that moment from baby to adult in space. He put us in Eden to be protected and choose not to eat the tree of good and evil and let use have choice ! If we didn't eat we will be perfect and without sin ! But we felled and he gave As econd chance in Jesus and glad that even those scientist believe if they ahd possiblity to ebf ree into choosing thier future our possiblities from predestination would make thier sum of equations and free from God soveriegn and have freewill ?





You have freewill protected and relying in God's effort and his soveriegn that you are not in space making decision but here in the world where in his care of law of moses and law of genesis. They would not of eating the fruti they will live in the probabilities in those rules and soveriegn of G-d's law and love. Be under his guidance and be saved. Knowing we can change those probablities and change our destiny from being A shoe salesman and into lawyer or governor of A state and reach our max and be what we want !


Moses chaneg those probabilities and also Huldah in her prophecy, G-d could reverse those action make us forget it and then done but he let those error stay and destiny was changed seeing he does not make it all effect in a sense of our errors do not ruin our future and in error the Eden will return and heaven on earth and we will be saved despite our errors in Jesus. God could of just erase us and no one will know of our exsitence and done but he lets us know and see those error have existed and predestiantion can change and destiny and sum of those variables and one million in one probablities can change and anything is possible. Let us do good and make knowing of good and evil in God's favor and find our purpose in life and pray to him.


See he made probablities and the sense some people say that one can make decision and really can't change thier future or predestiantion just fear and laziness that future can change and just like Moses and Huldah made mistake know we can make success into our favor and do good and chaneg our future with him and play ahrd abll i life and into all the promblems life does go thru and breakthru it all and not passive christian that rolls over and breaks the mold life give and make good in life and saves his family.


Kicks and screams and changes his future his predestiantion and not this that with God you can't change your future or predestiantion I see you can't change your future idea and you do not understand it still ! This why you do not understand how freewill works in God's favor and his plan of God. But still stuck with the laws of modern world and liberalism USA faces ! You have freedom to choose and better under God's wing and not in space where psycologist and scientist say they don't get to choose and if they choose they would make more errors and wouldn't recognize them !
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2022 07:49 am
@Dr Huff,
It's logic, because thinking through the reasoning, you have a contradiction.

You assert that it is not possible to have free will.

In other words, you are choosing not to believe in it.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Mon 29 Aug, 2022 07:55 am
@davidsheep88,
That's a theory, but it doesn't bear out.

Consider Jesus's own reported words, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." He then extends this to the ruling of Satan's kingdom.

If Rome creates a religion, and it directly contributes to its instability (the Romans actually killed Christians by offering them to lions), then we have such a divided house. It is not rational as an idea that Rome would manufacture something that would create its own downfall. Rather both Rome and Israel cooperated against Christianity.
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davidsheep88
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2022 12:20 pm
@davidsheep88,
Just to make A recap everyone from the first to remembering the last posts that were done but we have to see what hebrew say when using those words of "free" and choice and know the whole area is also tied to the slaves system Judean mosaic law applies people. Did you know their is A law that saw if A slave from another country comes to Israel he is free under the law of moses and musn't be return to his country to be slave ? He can be free forever

Understand our freedom did exist ! And existed in Heaven when Lucifer rebbeled, truly freewill exist in the spectrum of decision but the concept of the past, present, and future makes us think freewill doesn't exist because everything God's see's and foresaws decided everything for us. Nope people just like their are sciences explaining our existence their is other realms of existence of aliens, spirits and time that our thinking does not know and exist God created it becuase he is above it all but paths that exist and ways that exist in those ways explain that freedom exist probablility exist and Lucifer is one that's he was perfect in every sense we do knot know and yet he reblled and proves freewill myth is not myth and Ray I copy something from him. Still were just the tip of the iceberg in freewill and consciousness and existing explaining that what we percieve in our brains and eyes is not how freewil is exist by God and he gives us choice to do good and evil people don't understand it.


Because they want to control the base of it and with words grab their destiny and say like scientist they cannot really choose because their future was chosen for them and everything is planned ? Not true Moses and Hulda and Elijah changed the future of the world with thier decision can we who are in this choosing of good and evil also change the destiny of this world and do good and not the same mistakes as them ? Yes, we can can Jesus do it ? He did change our destiny all together.



No, people you just begginign to enter the tip of freewill as we speak we have the verses and in greek mean different things and in hebrew mean different things. But how in the universe rules are different and no we are bound becuase their Is more to God he is not showing we know him as the God of before, today and tomorrow are thier more time measurments in the universe ? Yes, Do angels, aliens, and other beings that exist have different counting than we do ? yes, understand God is beyond destiny and he gives us that to be measure by time like we know it now but there is more ways to count time from angel perspective, alien perspective, and above all from God's perpsective for he is has not limits and he has counting system different from us.


Freewill is it based from God's letting people to choose to love him or not ? He let us choose our destiny can change from that ? Dont' go too far people he onlys wants us to choose either to be freed by him from sin thru Jesus and be baptized simple as that and not to choose to do evil simple people. Does freedom exist outside of our science and counting time and counting destiny and God can make it happen ? Yes he can he can do it all for he is God and only God judges God ! We cannot go beyond that but he can craete it people Don't rely on your own efforts in yoru decison but pray and rely on his and he will unchange your destiny to youd dream of saving your family to be rich man in god's way and be the thing you want he put in your heart to free in freewill in his love he gaves us life to choose and enjoy this magnifecent thing called life and live it with all your might and feelings.


Choose God above it all and put him first he will change your ways and find your dream come reality and really be all the things you can be !
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