Frank you have promblem finally moving aside the John Deere -_- which is nothing to do with freewill as whole. Instead your blaming God it's your fault your promblems not God's now that were talking about tractors -_-. If God wanted tractors for ya he would made your legs like tractros or give your body meallic shape and like tractors, it isn't your fault okay stop blaming God.
Didn't you know, you knew God before he sent you here and part of his plan. You have to ask you if tractors are part of his plan or if not so, then fine you hae to find what was his plan for you. Probablt to know the meaning of life. ;D
See that your in denail frank let go of that pain and just be happy. I don't have your years and wisdom no need to say those words. They prove your anger in life and you need to let go fo that anger please. Know that you have all the right o be angry at life and at me but not at God. You can hide your pain but please let go of it.
The atheist, Christopher Hitchens, probably said it best. Even a dog or a monkey can make their limbs move when they want to. That isn't free will. Just because you can walk from one side of the room to the other doesn't mean you have free will.
Free will consists of doing something toward a purpose you understand, but which is not necessarily evident to the rest of the world. In fact, when all of the evidence says that you are doing the wrong thing, you will keep on going doing what you are doing because you know by free will that you are doing the right thing.
Free will is about choice. It isn't about making the right choice. It doesn't mean that you have all of the information you need to make that choice. It says nothing about ignorance. It only says something about having choice.
The best example of free will in the bible is the idea of the importance of love. It is possible to live life and interact with other human beings purely according to sets of laws that construct those interactions.
It is possible for a person who acts that way to do everything a person who chooses love does. But the person who chooses love will do it out of the conviction of their decisions, while the other person will have to learn every last behavior.
They will never be a fully independent being. It has to do with faith. It isn't just about how good love is, but the importance of the triumph of good!
How can you make that decision, though, if you haven't heard the word? What God does is stir up in you the kernel you need to even ask the questions. God helps you be honest with yourself in this way.
Honesty with yourself is different than whether you are guaranteed all of the information. I don't think free will is about getting into a state of lying to one's self, though it can be. There is a way that the worship of things like freedom can confuse people, and prevent them from listening any more deeply than to believe simply. Free will was never meant to stay simple, though. It is beholden to concepts such as intimacy. It is beholden to love.
Frank buddy your taking this a littel too far your promblem is the same so many I encountered just let go of the past. God put you in your place to know the meaning of life and you know and I know you have to be ahppy with what you have your making too much of a noise about one post. Okay no need to angry Frank let go of your anger please let us talk about freewill.
Your promblem is the same as everyone i met you have conflict with god's will inside of you, you just want fight argue with him. You say have peace with others be in peace with his will ;D. I'm not the enemy do not want to fight and say your but there your wrong just be inside in god's will and easy by having faith and love that is all. Please do that yourself and you will see you obtained that relationship with God ;D.
We were talking about prayer moving mountains.
Quote:We were talking about prayer moving mountains.
Of course you were. Games?
Frank you take time for granted saying you've been in this discussion , why you need to take time everyday and enjoy it. Your oposition to God's will and saying. Now come on Frank your really here because you don't like that God controls you ! You don't like every human here your plan and your fate and every thought was planned by God and is part of his divine plan.
Some parts are and some aren't you have freedom to choose to be free in your mind or be a slave to your mind. Whatever you choose you do not have control but you still don't know if you put things in God's hands and let him decide for you can change all that and do something that people can't do and live happy under his will and that is having perfect freewill because he change it al for you.
Unless you let go of that anger and say that God is right and not me since i'm nobody you understand about freewill and be used like he wanted man like Adam and be like jesus who had perfect freewill.
You are just child, you never chose your path the world did that for you and God let you choose to let him help you or you do things like you always want.
Me,me,me,me and mine,mine,mine and it's what humans only want is that they they want they are never free from yourself. Your worst enemy Frank is not God or the mailman or your neightbor (could be him ;D) but your, your worst enemy and need to defeat yourself and let him control you from now on. Can you do that Frank ? Been old what do you have to lose ? Just try it and you see how life changes for ya .
I believe God's love for us is beyond human understanding. I also believe because of this same love, He has given us free will. Free will to spend eternity in heaven with Him or not. He does NOT force Himself on anyone, EVER. When I read near death experiences I am always amazed at the interaction between God/Jesus and the person having the question of freewill. Time and time again, God only wants what we want. "Do you want to stay or go back?" God asks. What a loving God. He saved us and he lets us choose does not force.
However, I also believe this free will forces 'Scoundrels' to rather hide under a rock than face any all-powerful God/Light. But when anyone in this dark place (their own making) call out to God, He comes quickly. Learnt o love and understand freewill.
Frank would have us believe that he takes the question of 'God' seriously, but I have seen no evidence of that. Unless it is to cast doubt on it that is. He wants you to know he is very serious about that, and I believe him.
Lack of 'Want' is not my problem Frank. And I don’t believe you think I’m stupid.