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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
thack45
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 12:59 pm
@Region Philbis,
I'm not saying it's right, but no one wants to hear this from Hilary. Even if it's the truth they want, they won't accept it from the 'establishment'.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 01:10 pm
@thack45,

and therein lies the rub...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 01:49 pm
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:

I'm not saying it's right, but no one wants to hear this from Hilary. Even if it's the truth they want, they won't accept it from the 'establishment'.


Sometimes...things have to be said whether they are wanted or not.

The people who do not want to hear important, true, relevant information from Hillary should remember that there were people back in the 1770's who did not want to hear from people like Washington, Jefferson, Adams or anyone else of that "establishment." They did not want to hear that we should be independent from the realm presided over by George III.

Those people were full of ****...just as are the ones who do not want to hear what Hillary has to say about present day pond scum.
thack45
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 02:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
If you could just get Joe Rogan to say all that, now you got a stew goin'
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 07:11 pm
@glitterbag,
If he’s such a bad person, you should be able to make that argument without lying.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 07:21 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Lash wrote:
Did someone suggest the polio vaccine should be discarded?

They just don't make scholars the way they used to.


Then, it should be easy for you to name who suggested the polio vaccine should be discarded, Mr Scholar.

Unless you just believed Joy Reid…or sputtering perennial misinformation-spewing Maddow.

Who suggested it?
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2024 09:43 pm
@Lash,
Here you go

RFK Jr key adviser petitioned regulators to revoke approval of polio vaccine
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/rfk-jr-aaron-siri-polio
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 05:01 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Then, it should be easy for you to name who suggested the polio vaccine should be discarded, Mr Scholar.

You ought to learn how to do a search, Ms-Information, instead of demanding that other people assist you. If you type "ban polio vaccine" into a search engine you'll find dozens of articles in response. It's pretty easy.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 05:14 am
@hingehead,
Intentional disinformation

A lie was told to try to incite fear and perpetuate lies told about Kennedy. A2K is the Fox News of Democrats.

It wasn’t Trump, it wasn’t Kennedy, and it wasn’t this tiny nobody Aaron Siri who you’re lying about.


Excerpt:

It’s totally false to say that the petition sought to revoke the polio vaccine, as if the petition intended to make it so that Americans couldn’t get the polio vaccine,” Siri said. “It was for only one of six licensed polio vaccines.”

Siri noted that he filed a petition on behalf of a separate client, not Kennedy, and it was specifically for a “new polio vaccine” licensed in 1990.

Siri went on to defend Kennedy, who has made several anti-vaccine comments in the past.

“He doesn’t want to get rid of any vaccines. Mr. Kennedy has made very clear, he just wants to make sure that there’s transparency and that there’s proper science,” Siri said.

__________________

Sad little bunch of losers.

https://thehill.com/homenews/5045540-lawyer-rfk-jr-slams-polio-vaccine-claims/amp/


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 05:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://i.imgur.com/2shvZ2Dm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ebjR25jm.png



‘Only the AfD can save Germany,‘ Musk claimed in a tweet, sharing a video by the new-right influencer and conspiracy believer Naomi Seibt, in which she crudely criticises the CDU/CSU chancellor candidate Friedrich Merz and the Greens’ chancellor candidate Robert Habeck.


And, of course, the AfD wellcomes Musk's backing.
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Alice Weidel, who is running for chancellor as leader of the AfD, responded to Musk an hour later, saying:

"Yes! You are perfectly right! Please also have a look into my interview on President Trump, how socialist Merkel ruined our country, how the Soviet European Union destroys the countries [sic] economic backbone and malfunctioning Germany!"
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 05:45 am
Louisiana forbids public health workers from promoting COVID, flu and mpox shots
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 05:54 am
@Lash,
Lauren Irwin wrote:
Siri argued he and Kennedy want more testing and research into vaccines before the product is licensed, goes on the market and is “injected into millions of babies.”

Um, there already is plenty of testing and research that goes into vaccines before the product is licensed. Rolling Eyes

Christina Jewett and Sheryl Gay Stolberg wrote:
(...)

Mr. Siri has also filed a petition seeking to pause the distribution of 13 other vaccines; challenged, and in some cases quashed, Covid vaccine mandates around the country; sued federal agencies for the disclosure of records related to vaccine approvals; and subjected prominent vaccine scientists to grueling videotaped depositions.

Much of Mr. Siri’s work — including the polio petition filed in 2022 — has been on behalf of the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit whose founder is a close ally of Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Siri also represented Mr. Kennedy during his presidential campaign.

Mr. Kennedy, President-elect Donald J. Trump’s choice for health secretary, has said that he does not want to take away access to any vaccines. But as he prepares for his confirmation hearing and plans a fresh health agenda, his continuing close partnership with Mr. Siri suggests that vaccine policy will be under sharp scrutiny. It is a chilling prospect to many public health leaders, especially those who recall the deadly toll of some vaccine-mitigated diseases.

(...)

nyt
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 06:57 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Re: Lash (Post 7386680)

Um, there already is plenty of testing and research that goes into vaccines before the product is licensed. Rolling Eyes

How is it even possible this isn't known?

For the love of christ, Lash, just google "how are new vaccines developed" or "how are vaccines tested for safety". You'll find the procedures in place in numerous health agencies in various countries.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 07:03 am
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In a clearly choreographed series of announcements over the course of late last week, one tech CEO after another announced they were contributing $1 million to the Trump inaugural committee. This comes after the earlier endorsement controversies at The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times. Then over the weekend ABC News agreed to give Trump $16 million and issue him a personal apology to settle his ongoing defamation suit. The critical factor here is that the suit — over George Stephanopoulos’ use of the term “rape” to describe the E. Jean Carroll jury’s finding against Trump — is not only almost impossible to win under current First Amendment law but over claims that are affirmatively accurate, as no less than the judge in the case confirmed.

Someone asked me over the weekend why I thought ABC settled the case on such adverse terms. Were they trying to prevent embarrassing facts coming out in discovery? I told this person that while I didn’t know specifically and couldn’t categorically rule that out, I was nearly certain that wasn’t true. The story here is basically identical to the $1 million initiation fees from the tech executives. Trump makes clear that he’ll make trouble for anyone who doesn’t make nice and let him wet his beak. For a comparatively small sum, you can make a start at being part of his club. Yes, ABC paid a bit more. But these are still small sums for a big diversified national or international corporation. (Disney’s market cap is just over $200 billion.) The answer, I am almost certain, is that the specifics of the lawsuit became irrelevant. Given Disney’s specific situation, the price of the initiation fee was $16 million. So they paid it. No big corporation wants to start Trump 2.0 on Trump’s bad side. It’s as simple as that.

In a way, the news dimension of this is almost a distraction from the perspective of the parties to these deals. And that’s the point. That’s the significance. Let’s return to a fact we’ve discussed already a number of times. Almost all the big legacy news organizations are owned by big corporations not principally interested in or profiting from news: ABC, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times. This is secondarily the case with Meta/Facebook, Google/Youtube — all of big tech. The latter don’t own major media organizations directly. But for reasons we all understand, they have a massive influence and control over the news economy.

Ironically, the one big, big player which is heavily bound up in the business of news as a central profit source is the Fox/Murdoch empire through its ownership of Fox News, The Wall Street Journal and all its other news and cable properties. Their interests are completely different since cozying up to Trump is mainly a profit driver rather than a liability. And in any case, unlike Comcast or Amazon or Disney, the Murdochs clearly have a commitment to right-wing politics that is independent of, though it doesn’t entirely trump, business interests.

The key here is that it is almost absurd to expect that these big diversified corporations are going to operate in the interests of or run major risks on behalf of their very small news divisions. These are in almost every case liabilities in the context of a Trump administration.

Let’s take ABC. We say, “ABC knuckled under to Trump.” But let’s step back to properly label the players. There’s no ABC here. We’re really talking about ABC News, which is a division of ABC. And ABC is owned by the Disney Corporation, which is an entertainment company which owns production studios, a big IP back catalog for streaming, and amusement parks. Relative to Amazon or Comcast or WarnerBros Discovery, Disney seems to have relatively less exposure to government harassment. But it still has no interest in being on Trump’s **** list.

The big point is simple: it’s crazy to expect any news organization owned by a big diversified corporation to be able to get significantly on the Trump administration’s **** list. This is very straightforward. These corporations are going to be ready to battle against the administration over their core interests — they’ll prefer to do that privately and through lobbying and giving but they’ll be ready to do it openly too if needs be. But they’re not going to pick fights over a small division which is probably in decline or actively losing money.

I’m not saying they will be going full Sinclair Broadcasting. But none of them are going to be straying far from the pack and the pack will be much less willing to get Trump mad.

I’ve heard from others who say that all the talk of “knuckling under” is a sort of false drama based on bogus assumptions. The reality, these folks say, is that these billionaire owners are actually mostly aligned with Trump in the interests of the oligarch class and they have been all along. That’s half accurate and half lefty claptrap. But it’s mostly irrelevant to what’s going on here. These are profit-driven corporations who mostly don’t think their core profit centers are endangered by Trump (probably right) and are accommodating different rules of the road of new national leadership. None of them are news businesses.

Note that the one agenda-setting organization we haven’t talked about here is The New York Times. I have endless problems with the Times, which I’ve discussed. But the Times ownership basically just owns the Times. They may make crappy editorial decisions I disagree with. But I think they come to them honestly, for better or worse.

There’s a whole narrative about not treating news like a business. Or that it didn’t used to be treated like a business. That’s almost completely false. If anything, in the past it was treated even more like a business, or it had much less of the layer of professionalization that is a product of the post-war era and post-Watergate mythification. TV news divisions were always different in the sense that they were mostly prestige loss-leaders for the business of the TV networks. But loss-leaders are very much business propositions even though they don’t need to turn a profit.

But I digress.

It’s not realistic to expect any news organization to be meaningfully independent in a Trump context if they’re owned by a company that is heavily involved in government contracting (Amazon) or in a business heavily exposed to government regulation (Amazon, Comcast, WBD, and all the rest).

The history here is important to consider. For most of our history newspapers were the dominant driver of news. Running a newspaper meant operating in a relatively unregulated space (no broadcast licenses, O&O’s, spectrum regulation) and just as importantly the rich families who owned them tended to have their economic roots and power in particular cities or regions. They mostly weren’t national. We can get into the complexities. But the particular overlap of political and regulatory power and news production that we’re describing here is fairly novel. Obviously, the game changer is a president ready and eager to abuse his power. But the ability to abuse it is also much greater.

The takeaway is pretty simple. We will have to rely on news organizations that are owned by companies that are really in the news business, and mostly not in other ones. I also think this will likely accelerate the decline of a decent amount of legacy media. That’s not because the great majority of news consumers are going to stampede away from ABC or CBS or CNN or any of the others for not standing up to Trump. But it will be brand damaging over time. And they’re in serious decline in the first place. If there’s a future for the cable networks and other legacy media entities it will probably be as more independent entities anyway. Not because of some resistancy turn in their editorial outlook. It’s simply because it’s very, very hard to imagine any big corporation wanting to buy a news organization in the current climate — both the economic climate and also the political one.
TPM
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 07:07 am
@Lash,
Of course. RFK is pro-vaccine. This never happened:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/26/rfk-jr-samoa-visit-measles-outbreak-vaccines
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 07:57 am
@hingehead,
RFK Jr. may soon become health secretary, but Louisiana and other states are already passing anti-vaccine laws

https://thebulletin.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/RFK-Jr-1024x683.jpg.webp
Demonstrators listen as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. speaks on a screen during an anti-vaccine mandate rally in 2022.

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The anti-vaccine movement, long a coalition that existed on the political fringes, is witnessing a remarkable inflection point. First, pandemic-era anxiety gave activists, along with other science denying contrarians, a platform to elevate their complaints about vaccines and make them more mainstream. Now, after anti-vaccine groups have reaped a windfall of funding and attention, President-elect Donald Trump is nominating movement leaders to top positions in important federal public health agencies like the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Institutes of Health, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Should the anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. be confirmed as health secretary, he’ll be able to exert influence over federal funding, regulation, research priorities, and guidance related to vaccines. Some of Kennedy’s stated ambitions would have direct impact on the states, but changing federal policy can take considerable time. States, on the other hand, can move more rapidly, and state-level anti-vaccine activists have recently been growing more successful in shaping policy in legislatures, governors’ mansions, and even state and local health departments. They’ve benefited from the money and attention Kennedy and his allies raked in nationally during the pandemic. What used to be a fringe movement now has a platform that could smooth the path for ongoing efforts to limit access to or reduce support for vaccines nationally and at the state level. And the movement has resulted in legislative successes at the state level, most notably in more conservative states like Louisiana, likely due to the increasing politicization of public health.

How it happened. Many state-level anti-vaccine groups first gained steam as part of a backlash to a California bill to tighten vaccine requirement–passed in response to a large measles outbreak in 2014. New groups in Texas and Louisiana initially took mostly defensive actions as they tried to push back against laws strengthening public health; since the pandemic, however, state groups have largely been on the offense. Many public health experts once thought a COVID vaccine would lead to a greater share of the public understanding and valuing vaccines. Unfortunately, the pandemic vaccination campaign seemed to be the moment that anti-vaccine activists were waiting for. Groups and activists quickly began spreading misinformation, sowing distrust in the vaccine even before it became available.

National and state anti-vaccine groups recycled scare tactics they had used less successfully against other vaccinations, trying to convince people that the vaccine would negatively impact fertility, a conspiracy theory that was commonly bandied against the human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine, which is effective in preventing virus-related cancers. Activists added new and exotic conspiracy theories, too, like claiming that vaccines contain microchips.

For national organizations, including Kennedy’s Children’s Health Defense, stoking anti-vaccine fervor brought in tens of millions of dollars in 2022 alone. And state-level anti-vaccine organizations across the country likely benefited from this financial influx. In the states, legislation around vaccines went from 116 bills introduced nationwide in 2019 to 1,500 in 2022, the vast majority being anti-vaccine.

A case study. Perhaps nowhere better exemplifies the anti-vaccine drift in the states better than Louisiana, a state which once boasted one of the highest rates of vaccinated school children. Support for vaccines among state leaders was strong, even in 2022, when 39 anti-vaccine bills were introduced in the legislature. Thirty-eight of those bills were struck down in Louisiana’s Republican-majority legislature. The one that passed and went to the governor, which criminalized asking about someone’s vaccination status, was vetoed.

But in 2023, voters installed a new Republican governor, Jeff Landry, and some new legislators with less favorable views toward school and other vaccines than the previous set of officials. In the last legislative session, this group introduced 20 pieces of anti-vaccine legislation and passed seven. And the shift in policy and messaging around vaccinations is showing up in vaccination rates.

During the 2011-2012 school year, 98 percent of Louisiana kindergartners were up to date on the vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella. But during the last school year (2023-2024), only 92 percent of kindergarteners were. While 92 percent seems like a lot, experts say a 95 percent immunity threshold is necessary to prevent the kind of spread that can result in a measles outbreak. Only 86 percent of kindergartners are up to date on all of the vaccinations required for kindergarten, which collectively protect against 10 infectious diseases–diseases that can lead to cancer, paralysis, deafness, brain injury, and death.

Residents and legislators looking for informed opinions or guidance on vaccines from the state’s leading health officials will no longer find it. Landry has appointed a state surgeon general and deputy surgeon general who, during legislative testimony, promote false notions, saying, for instance, that COVID vaccines pose more risk to children than the disease itself. In fact, nearly 2,000 of children in the United States died of COVID-19, and nearly 10,000 have been diagnosed with a long-term complication of COVID infections called multi-system inflammatory syndrome in children. The vaccines, on the other hand, have an extremely high safety profile in children, and carry a very small risk of severe reaction, including myocarditis in some adolescents. However, vaccine-induced myocarditis has been shown to be less severe than covid infection-induced myocarditis. The Louisiana officials have also spoken in support of the long-debunked conspiracy theory that contends, falsely, that childhood vaccines cause autism.

During the 2024 legislative session, the anti-vaccine group Health Freedom Louisiana received a return on investment after supporting several local candidates in recent elections, notching significant policy wins. Landry signed bills into law that failed to progress in earlier years. For example, the state is now prohibited from requiring COVID vaccination for school entry, even though most schools didn’t require it, anyway.

This new law sets a precedent. Anti-vaccine activists, including in Louisiana, are very good about attending legislative sessions on vaccines, and some state lawmakers have been parroting activists’ misleading talking points that the COVID vaccine doesn’t prevent infection or transmission. (The shots reduce both and greatly reduce the severity of symptoms.) Anti-vaccine activists are already using the deceptive justifications that proved so successful during the debate over the COVID bill to lobby against other vaccines, too, ones that prevent polio, pertussis (whooping cough), and other serious diseases. No intervention works 100 percent of the time, but some vaccines come close. Three doses of polio vaccine are 99 to 100 percent effective at preventing “paralytic polio.”

Another new law in Louisiana prohibits schools from discriminating against students based on vaccination status. The bill doesn’t actually change the way schools operate on a daily basis and won’t prevent schools from requiring unvaccinated students to stay home if an outbreak occurs, but anti-vaccine activists have already said that their goal is to “fix” the law so schools cannot tell unvaccinated students to stay home.

What happens now? The trend already evident in Louisiana is likely to continue in other states in 2025.

As Kennedy seeks Senate approval to become a cabinet secretary, he has been downplaying his long-standing anti-vaccine activism. But a long trail of evidence refutes this view of the nominee. News broke last week that a lawyer working with Kennedy has filed petitions to the US Food and Drug Administration to revoke approval of 13 routine childhood vaccines. And Kennedy’s actions have been directly linked to a large measles outbreak in Samoa. If senators confirm him as health secretary, they’ll be sending a permissive signal to states where anti-vaccine activists have already had legislative successes. Should Kennedy be able to stop the federal government from recommending a vaccine, how will state officials, already antagonistic towards vaccines, react?

Historically, the pro-vaccine community has been a silent majority. With Trump nominating candidates for health-related positions who don’t accept long-standing, proven tenets of public health, the necessity of speaking out about the public health gains afforded by immunizations has never been more evident. More scientists, public health professionals and health care workers are stepping outside of their academic and clinical duties so that everyday people understand their critical work. And more parents, teachers, grandparents, and other advocates for child health are organizing, sharing their stories and concerns with their elected officials, and vocally supporting immunizations and public health. As the anti-vaccine movement makes news through Kennedy’s elevation, new activists are organizing to counter it. Let’s hope that the counter-movement becomes a vocal counterpoint to anti-vaccine activism.

thebulletin
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 09:32 am
The Russian attacks on Kyiv also damaged six diplomatic missions in the centre of the city.
According to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, these were the embassies of Portugal, Albania, Argentina, North Macedonia, Montenegro and Palestine.
thack45
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 10:45 am
Looks like the "President Musk" line is bothering Trump...


The Daily Beast wrote:
‘Fox & Friends’ Host Reports That Trump Is Not Bothered by All the ‘President Musk’ Jabs
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 12:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If you think that’s damaging, you should get a load of Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 20 Dec, 2024 12:52 pm
@blatham,
Yes, and we can always trust that all govt agencies always do everything exactly perfectly with zero mistakes or corruption, either individually or systemically!!

And believe in Santa, Jesus, and the Easter Bunny!
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