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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 08:29 am

i think peer pressure is a major factor for american men of all colors.

if their buddies are voting for trump, they will too out of fear of becoming an outcast...
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 08:32 am
I’m Running Out of Ways to Explain How Bad This Is

What’s happening in America today is something darker than a misinformation crisis.

Charlie Warzel wrote:
The truth is, it’s getting harder to describe the extent to which a meaningful percentage of Americans have dissociated from reality. As Hurricane Milton churned across the Gulf of Mexico last night, I saw an onslaught of outright conspiracy theorizing and utter nonsense racking up millions of views across the internet. The posts would be laughable if they weren’t taken by many people as gospel. Among them: Infowars’ Alex Jones, who claimed that Hurricanes Milton and Helene were “weather weapons” unleashed on the East Coast by the U.S. government, and “truth seeker” accounts on X that posted photos of condensation trails in the sky to baselessly allege that the government was “spraying Florida ahead of Hurricane Milton” in order to ensure maximum rainfall, “just like they did over Asheville!”

As Milton made landfall, causing a series of tornados, a verified account on X reposted a TikTok video of a massive funnel cloud with the caption “WHAT IS HAPPENING TO FLORIDA?!” The clip, which was eventually removed but had been viewed 662,000 times as of yesterday evening, turned out to be from a video of a CGI tornado that was originally published months ago. Scrolling through these platforms, watching them fill with false information, harebrained theories, and doctored images—all while panicked residents boarded up their houses, struggled to evacuate, and prayed that their worldly possessions wouldn’t be obliterated overnight—offered a portrait of American discourse almost too bleak to reckon with head-on.

Even in a decade marred by online grifters, shameless politicians, and an alternative right-wing-media complex pushing anti-science fringe theories, the events of the past few weeks stand out for their depravity and nihilism. As two catastrophic storms upended American cities, a patchwork network of influencers and fake-news peddlers have done their best to sow distrust, stoke resentment, and interfere with relief efforts. But this is more than just a misinformation crisis. To watch as real information is overwhelmed by crank theories and public servants battle death threats is to confront two alarming facts: first, that a durable ecosystem exists to ensconce citizens in an alternate reality, and second, that the people consuming and amplifying those lies are not helpless dupes but willing participants.

Some of the lies and obfuscation are politically motivated, such as the claim that FEMA is offering only $750 in total to hurricane victims who have lost their home. (In reality, FEMA offers $750 as immediate “Serious Needs Assistance” to help people get basic supplies such as food and water.) Donald Trump, J. D. Vance, and Fox News have all repeated that lie. Trump also posted (and later deleted) on Truth Social that FEMA money was given to undocumented migrants, which is untrue. Elon Musk, who owns X, claimed—without evidence—that FEMA was “actively blocking shipments and seizing goods and services locally and locking them away to state they are their own. It’s very real and scary how much they have taken control to stop people helping.” That post has been viewed more than 40 million times. Other influencers, such as the Trump sycophant Laura Loomer, have urged their followers to disrupt the disaster agency’s efforts to help hurricane victims. “Do not comply with FEMA,” she posted on X. “This is a matter of survival.”

The result of this fearmongering is what you might expect. Angry, embittered citizens have been harassing government officials in North Carolina, as well as FEMA employees. According to an analysis by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, an extremism-research group, “Falsehoods around hurricane response have spawned credible threats and incitement to violence directed at the federal government,” including “calls to send militias to face down FEMA.” The study also found that 30 percent of the X posts analyzed by ISD “contained overt antisemitic hate, including abuse directed at public officials such as the Mayor of Asheville, North Carolina; the FEMA Director of Public Affairs; and the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.” The posts received a collective 17.1 million views as of October 7.

Online, first responders are pleading with residents, asking for their help to combat the flood of lies and conspiracy theories. FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell said that the volume of misinformation could hamper relief efforts. “If it creates so much fear that my staff doesn’t want to go out in the field, then we’re not going to be in a position where we can help people,” she said in a news conference on Tuesday. In Pensacola, North Carolina, Assistant Fire Chief Bradley Boone vented his frustrations on Facebook: “I’m trying to rescue my community,” he said in a livestream. “I ain’t got time. I ain’t got time to chase down every Facebook rumor … We’ve been through enough.”

It is difficult to capture the nihilism of the current moment. The pandemic saw Americans, distrustful of authority, trying to discredit effective vaccines, spreading conspiracy theories, and attacking public-health officials. But what feels novel in the aftermath of this month’s hurricanes is how the people doing the lying aren’t even trying to hide the provenance of their bullshit. Similarly, those sharing the lies are happy to admit that they do not care whether what they’re pushing is real or not. Such was the case last week, when Republican politicians shared an AI-generated viral image of a little girl holding a puppy while supposedly fleeing Helene. Though the image was clearly fake and quickly debunked, some politicians remained defiant. “Y’all, I don’t know where this photo came from and honestly, it doesn’t matter,” Amy Kremer, who represents Georgia on the Republican National Committee, wrote after sharing the fake image. “I’m leaving it because it is emblematic of the trauma and pain people are living through right now.”

Kremer wasn’t alone. The journalist Parker Molloy compiled screenshots of people “acknowledging that this image is AI but still insisting that it’s real on some deeper level”—proof, Molloy noted, that we’re “living in the post-reality.” The technology writer Jason Koebler argued that we’ve entered the “‘**** It’ Era” of AI slop and political messaging, with AI-generated images being used to convey whatever partisan message suits the moment, regardless of truth.

This has all been building for more than a decade. On The Colbert Report, back in 2005, Stephen Colbert coined the word truthiness, which he defined as “the belief in what you feel to be true rather than what the facts will support.” This reality-fracturing is the result of an information ecosystem that is dominated by platforms that offer financial and attentional incentives to lie and enrage, and to turn every tragedy and large event into a shameless content-creation opportunity. This collides with a swath of people who would rather live in an alternate reality built on distrust and grievance than change their fundamental beliefs about the world. But the misinformation crisis is not always what we think it is.

So much of the conversation around misinformation suggests that its primary job is to persuade. But as Michael Caulfield, an information researcher at the University of Washington, has argued, “The primary use of ‘misinformation’ is not to change the beliefs of other people at all. Instead, the vast majority of misinformation is offered as a service for people to maintain their beliefs in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.” This distinction is important, in part because it assigns agency to those who consume and share obviously fake information. What is clear from comments such as Kremer’s is that she is not a dupe; although she may come off as deeply incurious and shameless, she is publicly admitting to being an active participant in the far right’s world-building project, where feel is always greater than real.

What we’re witnessing online during and in the aftermath of these hurricanes is a group of people desperate to protect the dark, fictitious world they’ve built. Rather than deal with the realities of a warming planet hurling once-in-a-generation storms at them every few weeks, they’d rather malign and threaten meteorologists, who, in their minds, are “nothing but a trained subversive liar programmed to spew stupid **** to support the global warming bullshit,” as one X user put it. It is a strategy designed to silence voices of reason, because those voices threaten to expose the cracks in their current worldview. But their efforts are doomed, futile. As one dispirited meteorologist wrote on X this week, “Murdering meteorologists won’t stop hurricanes.” She followed with: “I can’t believe I just had to type that.”

What is clear is that a new framework is needed to describe this fracturing. Misinformation is too technical, too freighted, and, after almost a decade of Trump, too political. Nor does it explain what is really happening, which is nothing less than a cultural assault on any person or institution that operates in reality. If you are a weatherperson, you’re a target. The same goes for journalists, election workers, scientists, doctors, and first responders. These jobs are different, but the thing they share is that they all must attend to and describe the world as it is. This makes them dangerous to people who cannot abide by the agonizing constraints of reality, as well as those who have financial and political interests in keeping up the charade.

In one sense, these attacks—and their increased desperation—make sense. The world feels dark; for many people, it’s tempting to meet that with a retreat into the delusion that they’ve got everything figured out, that the powers that be have conspired against them directly. But in turning away, they exacerbate a crisis that has characterized the Trump era, one that will reverberate to Election Day and beyond. Americans are divided not just by political beliefs but by whether they believe in a shared reality—or desire one at all.

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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 08:45 am
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
i think peer pressure is a major factor for american men of all colors.

That's certainly true of many of the (colorless) MAGA voters in my congressional district. The number of Harris/Walz campaign signs that disappear nightly around here is pretty astounding. It's similar to the amount of property destruction on "Devil's Night" – "It's what we do; we don't ask why."
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 08:57 am
@hightor,
Your 'go figure' comment came across as patronising and condescending.

It gives the impression that you, as a white educated liberal, view that demographic as foolish and childish.

As your sources have shown, black people, the NAACP, and Obama are already addressing this, and it's best to leave it to them.

I fully understand why Snood responded the way he did, and instead of doubling down you should have taken what he said on board.

We are all, myself included, guilty of unconscious racism, and when someone points it out you should not dismiss their comments.
Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 09:13 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Never could figure out why you do this.

Yeah, nothing to see here...

A Stern Obama Tells Black Men to Drop ‘Excuses’ and Support Harris

NYT wrote:
Before speaking at a rally for Vice President Kamala Harris in Pittsburgh, the former president spoke directly to Black male voters in an effort to bolster flagging support.



Obama was calling out Black men being hesitant to vote for a woman.

That’s a good thing.

Why do YOU so concern yourself with the voting trends of Black and brown people?
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 09:53 am
@Bogulum,
Quote:
Why do YOU so concern yourself with the voting trends of Black and brown people?

Why are the voting trends of any groups of people regularly discussed? We read profiles of women voters, we read about trends among South Asian voters, and in this election, coverage of Muslim voters has also been a feature. In the case of young Black men, it's been covered since it was first noticed in 2020. And it concerns me because Black voters have been instrumental in helping to elect Democrats for years. So if a growing number of Black voters are turning toward someone like Trump – not just skipping the election but actually voting for this racist – it will make winning elections more difficult. Why is that hard to see? If we wish to reverse this trend it will need to be addressed, not ignored.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 09:56 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I fully understand why Snood responded the way he did...

So do I.


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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 10:13 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
If we wish to reverse this trend it will need to be addressed, not ignored.


Put yourself in the shoes of an undecided black man who just happens across your post.

Do you think your 'Go figure' comment would help reverse that trend or have the opposite effect?
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 10:47 am
@izzythepush,
I would hope that he would scrutinize reasons for supporting Trump and reasons for opposing Trump and make his own decision.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 10:52 am
@hightor,
Quote:
“The primary use of ‘misinformation’ is not to change the beliefs of other people at all. Instead, the vast majority of misinformation is offered as a service for people to maintain their beliefs in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

I think this is a very valuable distinction.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 10:56 am
@blatham,
Yes – the exclusivity of "those in the know"; it's likely very comforting to those who are alienated and bitter.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 11:07 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Quote:
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
If we wish to reverse this trend it will need to be addressed, not ignored.



Put yourself in the shoes of an undecided black man who just happens across your post.

Do you think your 'Go figure' comment would help reverse that trend or have the opposite effect?

As hightor noted, considering/studying how particular demographics vote is perfectly normal. An obvious parallel is, as he notes, women. There's nothing unusual or "wrong" when males are bemused that some significant percentage of women decide to favor Trump/Republicans where their ideology and policies will have real world negative consequences for women's liberties and health.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 11:31 am
@hightor,
That's the triumph of hope over experience.
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Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 11:51 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Why do YOU so concern yourself with the voting trends of Black and brown people?

Why are the voting trends of any groups of people regularly discussed? We read profiles of women voters, we read about trends among South Asian voters, and in this election, coverage of Muslim voters has also been a feature. In the case of young Black men, it's been covered since it was first noticed in 2020. And it concerns me because Black voters have been instrumental in helping to elect Democrats for years. So if a growing number of Black voters are turning toward someone like Trump – not just skipping the election but actually voting for this racist – it will make winning elections more difficult. Why is that hard to see? If we wish to reverse this trend it will need to be addressed, not ignored.



I don't see it as something that needs my concern. But you obviously do, so please -You go ahead and "address" it.
Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 11:54 am
@blatham,
Nope, nothing wrong with you white guys being "bemused" at the voting behaviors of us others. Bemuse away. I just rankle at the pretensions of mounting some kind of action to stem the worrisome trends. Smacks of clueless patriarchal bullshit.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 12:16 pm
@Bogulum,
Quote:
I just rankle at the pretensions of mounting some kind of action to stem the worrisome trends. Smacks of clueless patriarchal bullshit.

Then why think about, study or discuss politics and history at all? Are all those people who are manning phone banks or knocking on doors for Kamala simply deluded? Are the white men who have worked over generations to enhance the rights and liberties of colored people and women merely pretentious patriarchs?


hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 12:31 pm
@Bogulum,
Quote:
But you obviously do, so please -You go ahead and "address" it.

Look, I wouldn't have even known it was a "thing" except that it's been talked about since 2020. I was hoping that particular fever would have broken by now but instead it seems to have gotten a hold on an increasing number of young men. I have a feeling that there are responsible party leaders who will address it – I'm not in a position to do much more than bring it to the attention of a few people on a message board. And duck.
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Bogulum
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 12:59 pm
@blatham,
Don't look now, but you're equating rabble rousing on A2K with marching with MLK, or knocking on neighborhood doors to boost voter turnout, or "working for the rights and liberties of colored (really? colored?) people for generations".

This ain't that. I think my characterization of it as concern trolling is MUCH closer to accurate.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 02:47 pm
I'm sorry if I come across as at all patronising.

There's too much of that.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 11 Oct, 2024 05:26 pm
@Bogulum,
Quote:
con·cern trol·ling
noun derogatory•informal
the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion.

Do you actually think hightor (and perhaps myself) are being disingenuous so as to undermine/derail an ongoing (and genuine) discussion?
 

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