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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 2 May, 2024 10:21 pm
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 02:10 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Do you think that will convince anyone?

Mrs Clinton had a similar problem, blaming the voters she'd alienated instead of reaching out to them.

It's not just Muslims, it's young people, look at what's happening on campuses now, masked Israel supporters attacking peaceful protesters while security guards hide away and the police eat popcorn.

You've just passed a law that criminalising antisemitism which incl7des criticism of Israel.

So much for free speech.

Imagine if they tried to make racism illegal in the 70s by criminalising criticism of Idi Amin's Uganda.

If Biden keeps attacking legitimate protesters they won't vote for him.

And it won't be their fault.



izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 3 May, 2024 02:15 am
We've had local elections here.

As expected Labour are doing very well, but they didn't take Oldham council, a traditional Labour council because of the Muslim vote.

It won't be enough to stop Labour winning, but the situation here is very different to the US.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 03:17 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

the situation here is very different to the US.


Damn right, Karl Marx has just won a seat on Birmingham council.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 03:23 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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Or a leader of a Western democracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/02/israel-gaza-lies-western-backers
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hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 03:47 am
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More than 2,000 people have been arrested at protests on college and university campuses around the country opposing Israel’s military strikes on Gaza since the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Hamas, and the subsequent humanitarian crisis there. It is unclear how many of the protesters are students, as many of those arrested have not been affiliated with the universities, or how many of the arrests will result in charges—sometimes arrests at protests are designed simply to clear an area.

The roots of today’s protests lie in an investigation by the Republican-dominated House Committee on Education and the Workforce, chaired by Virginia Foxx (R-NC). The committee announced the investigation on December 7, two days after its members spent more than five hours grilling then-president of Harvard University Claudine Gay, then-president of University of Pennsylvania Liz Magill, and president of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sally Kornbluth on how their universities were handling student protests against Israel over its military response to Hamas’s attack of October 7.

Led by Elise Stefanik (R-NY), Republicans on the committee insisted that the universities were not protecting Jewish students. The university presidents responded that they deplored antisemitism, that students had the right to free speech, and that they took action against those who violated policies against bullying, harassment, or intimidation. But in their defense of free speech, they admitted both that hate speech against Jews and others is sometimes protected and that they had sometimes made bad calls.

The Republicans’ interest in protecting Jewish students on campus overlapped with their opposition to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives that they associate with Democrats. Burgess Owens (R-UT) said DEI initiatives protect Black students at the expense of others. “I just remember a couple of years ago when we were dealing with Black Lives Matter,” he said. “Try to talk about Blue Lives Matter, Jew Lives Matter, Arab Lives Matter—they call it racist. It’s time for us to focus on what’s happening on your campuses.”

Stefanik called the testimony “pathetic” and, along with 74 other members of Congress, demanded that Gay, Harvard’s first Black president, resign. On January 2, following accusations she had plagiarized scholarly work, she did. Her resignation followed that of Liz Magill. “TWO DOWN,” Stefanik wrote on social media.

Two days after the university presidents’ testimony, Stefanik announced that the House Education and Workforce Committee would be investigating universities. “We will use our full Congressional authority to hold these schools accountable for their failure on the global stage,” she said.

On February 12 the committee informed Columbia it was next up. Columbia University president Nemat "Minouche" Shafik had been unable to testify with the other presidents in December and gave her testimony to the committee on April 17, along with co-chairs of the Board of Trustees Claire Shipman and David Greenwald and former dean David Schizer over the university's response to antisemitism.

In an April 16 essay in the Wall Street Journal, Shafik wrote that “antisemitism and calls for genocide have no place at a university…but that leaves plenty of room for robust disagreement and debate.” She said she prioritizes “the safety and security of our community” and that while the attack of October 7 had a "deep personal impact" on the Jewish and Israeli communities, there was also a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza, and the war was "part of a larger story of Palestinian displacement." She explained that Columbia had defined a space for protests to enable those they upset to avoid them.

Opening the hearing, committee chair Foxx said: “Since October 7, this Committee and the nation have watched in horror as so many of our college campuses, particularly the most expensive, so-called elite schools, have erupted into hotbeds of antisemitism and hate.” Stefanik called out tenured professor Joseph Massad of the Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African Studies department, who called the October 7 attack a “stunning victory.”

Shafik responded by condemning the professor’s statements. “Trying to reconcile the free speech rights of those who want to protest and the rights of Jewish students to be in an environment free of harassment or discrimination has been the central challenge on our campus, and many others, in recent months…. We do not, and will not, tolerate antisemitic threats, images, and other violations…. We have enforced, and we will continue to enforce, our policies against such actions,” she said.

Ilhan Omar (D-MN) questioned Shafik about discrimination against pro-Palestinian protesters. She noted that Israel-born assistant professor Shai Davidai was accused of harassing pro-Palestinian students; Shafik said they have had more than 50 complaints about him and he is under investigation.

On April 17, the same day the Columbia officials testified, pro-Palestinian protesters organized by Columbia University Apartheid Divest (a self-described “coalition of student organizations that see Palestine as the vanguard for our collective liberation”), Students for Justice in Palestine, and Jewish Voice for Peace set up a camp at the university. It garnered little attention; the April 18 New York Times did not mention it. According to Sharif, the school warned protesters they would be suspended if the encampment was not removed. They stayed. On April 18, according to New York mayor Eric Adams, Columbia officials called in New York City police to disband the protest. They arrested more than 100 people, including Representative Omar’s daughter, a Columbia student. The arrests were peaceful.

University faculty and community members were shocked by the resort to law enforcement at a place known both for learning and debate and for its history. In April 1968, in the midst of the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement, a week of protests after students learned of Columbia’s support for weapons research and its plan to construct a seemingly segregated gym in a nearby community had led New York City police to crush the demonstrations with violence.

In the days after the current arrests, nearly a dozen student and faculty groups released statements or open letters objecting to the police presence on campus and supporting students’ rights to free speech and peaceful protest. The protest encampment sprang back up.

At the same time, Jewish leaders warned that antisemitism was increasing. Rabbi Elie Buechler, of the Columbia/Barnard Hillel and Kraft Center for Jewish Student Life, urged Jewish students to return home for Passover, which began April 22, and to stay there for their own safety.

In the next weeks, protests sprang up around the country, with protesters generally demanding that university administrators divest from investments in Israel or in companies that sell weapons, technology, or construction equipment to Israel, and cut ties to Israeli universities. They have tended to turn their anger against President Joe Biden and his administration, whom they blame for what they call a genocide in Gaza. Universities have responded in a variety of ways, from discussion to armed law enforcement officers.

Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken have insisted that Israel has a right to defend itself from Hamas and have continued to provide Israel with military defenses, whose importance in stopping the war from spreading showed on April 14, when those defenses shot down virtually all of the weapons Iran launched at Israel. They are working hard for a ceasefire, with Blinken currently in the Middle East and a proposal on the table that Israel has accepted but Hamas has not.

The administration has also stood against the initial policy of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s administration to cordon off Gaza without food, water, or electricity, and has pressured Israel into permitting humanitarian aid into Gaza. It has also firmly opposed Israeli plans to attack Rafah, where more than a million Palestinians have taken shelter, and has stood firmly in favor of a Palestinian state, which the protesters have not indicated they endorse.

On April 24, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) visited Columbia, where he called for Shafik to resign. On Monday, April 29, he and Republican leadership met to discuss how they might reenergize the party and gain traction now that their impeachment effort against Biden and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has flopped, the conference is bitterly split, their control of the House of Representatives has resulted in one of the least productive congresses in American history, and their presumptive presidential nominee is being tried for election interference that involved paying off women with whom he had extramarital sex. They settled on campus antisemitism—although Trump’s open embrace of white nationalists makes this problematic—and the campus protests as a sign that Democrats are the party of disorder.

On that same day, 21 House Democrats wrote a letter to Columbia’s trustees demanding they “act decisively, disband the encampment, and ensure the safety and security of all of its students.” That night, protesters took control of Columbia’s Hamilton Hall, where they broke windows and vandalized furniture. About twenty hours later, police in riot gear arrested them. Arrests across the country climbed.

Yesterday, Representative Foxx announced that her committee’s antisemitism investigation will expand into a Congress-wide crackdown on colleges. In a press conference, she said she had a clear message for “mealy-mouthed, spineless college leaders. Congress will not tolerate your dereliction of duty to your Jewish students. American universities are officially put on notice that we have come to take our universities back.”

Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Inquirer noted that right-wing politicians jumped on the Kent State shootings of May 1970 to defund colleges and universities, while a “law and order” backlash helped to give Republican president Richard M. Nixon a landslide reelection in 1972.

Today, President Biden addressed the protests, saying they “test two fundamental American principles. The first is the right to free speech and for people to peacefully assemble and make their voices heard. The second is the rule of law. Both must be upheld.”

Biden called for lawful, peaceful protests and warned: “Vandalism, trespassing, breaking windows, shutting down campuses, forcing the cancellation of classes and graduations—none of this is a peaceful protest…. Dissent is essential to democracy,” he said, “But dissent must never lead to disorder or to denying the rights of others so students can finish the semester and their college education…. People have the right to get an education, the right to get a degree, the right to walk across the campus safely without fear of being attacked.”

When asked, he told reporters he did not think the National Guard should be involved in suppressing the protests.

Steven Lee Myers and Tiffany Hsu of the New York Times reported today that Russia, China, and Iran are amplifying the protests “to score geopolitical points abroad and stoke tensions within the United States,” as well as to “undermine President Biden’s reelection prospects.”

It is unclear if the protests will continue during the summer, when fewer students will be on campus.

hcr
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hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 04:09 am
@izzythepush,
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Do you think that will convince anyone?

I don't think it's meant to "convince" anyone. It merely illustrates the irony of rejecting one political party (for one particular policy) and replacing it with one that's demonstrably worse (on the particular policy and everything else). Or as Robert Mugabe's father explained, "You want to replace your old hunting dog with a new one but how do you know the new one can hunt?" Or something like that.
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Mrs Clinton had a similar problem, blaming the voters she'd alienated instead of reaching out to them.

I don't see that it blames anyone, it simply recognizes a problem, Biden's unpopularity with Muslims and others opposed to the war in Gaza. And, if you recall, Clinton only included half of Trump's supporters:
H. Clinton wrote:
You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. (Laughter/applause) Right? (Laughter/applause) They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks – they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America.

But the "other" basket – the other basket – and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and – as well as, you know, New York and California – but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but – he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

Was it a great tactic? Probably not – the comment was easily turned into an attack on voters when it was meant to condemn "deplorable" beliefs.
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You've just passed a law that criminalising antisemitism which incl7des criticism of Israel.

Not yet. And Marjorie Trailer Greene is opposed to the measure because Christians wouldn't be able to blame the Jews for killing Jesus. The politics of US-Israel relations are really convoluted.
hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 04:25 am
Trump Says He Would Shut Down Pandemic Prevention Office

Yeah, that'll teach the libs a real lesson.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 04:50 am
@hightor,
I think people recognise the irony anyway.

I think it will just rub people up the wrong way.

The fact remains, purge style Israel supporters attacked peaceful protesters while the police looked on.

That is the message that has gone out around the world and galvanised other students.

Biden seems more concerned will the welfare of the attackers not the peaceful protesters.

No charges have been made.

It's like Biden wants Trump to win, he's certainly making it easier for him.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 05:01 am
@izzythepush,
And Mrs Clinton underperformed amongst under 40s.

That is a key demography to go for.

I don't think young people considered themselves addressed by the basket of deplorables comment.

Those deplorables wouldn't vote for her anyway, but the young should have.

She alienated them just like Biden is doing now.

If Biden loses, it will be Biden's fault.
hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 05:29 am
@izzythepush,
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It's like Biden wants Trump to win, he's certainly making it easier for him.

Biden doesn't have control over local police departments – this ain't no police state! Nor does he have any authority to direct the policies of state and private universities. The entire Democratic Party is in a bind when it comes to US-Israel relations and the Republicans understand this and will do everything they can to exploit it. The GOP should thank Hamas for giving Trump everything he needs to win.
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She alienated them just like Biden is doing now.

Besides being an uninspiring campaigner, she was damaged goods after a thirty-year campaign on right-wing talk radio. She still managed to win the popular vote.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 05:59 am
@izzythepush,
Truth hurts, don't it? The sad part is they aren't going to affect the election one way or another. But when Joe is re-elected: how do they ask for a place at the table? In the bizaro world where Tangerine Jebus is President, they will have less than a voice. If they are so stupid so as to vote against their own interests they deserve everything a fascist dictator will most assuredly do to them. He wants to execute elected leaders here, what **** does he begin to give for middle eastern refugee immigrants. Single issue voting is self-defeating gets you nothing. Protest voting over Hilary Clinton got us the Orange Shitgibbon.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:01 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:


If Biden loses, it will be Biden's fault.


Izzy, if Joe Biden loses (which is better phrased, "If Trump wins")...there will be plenty of fault to spread around...it will not be entirely Joe Biden's fault. You can better imagine it as the fault of all America.

In any case, if Trump wins, EVERYONE on planet Earth will lose, just as when Hitler won (or was appointed to) the Chancellorship of Germany...EVERYONE on planet Earth lost.

If Trump wins, I will probably join you in your contempt (or whatever you term it) of America and Americans.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:20 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:23 am
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:28 am
@hightor,
It's not like he can't insist on a public inquiry or take any other form of punative action.

He's just a hostage to fortune.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:32 am
@bobsal u1553115,
The truth is that castigating and mocking those who are not voting for Biden due to his stance on Palestine will not get back those votes Biden needs to win.

The truth is, saying the other side is worse clearly isn't working, especially when you're the incumbant.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 06:36 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
She still managed to win the popular vote.


And a fat lot of good it did her, the system is already rigged in the Republican's favour which is why it's important not to isolate your natural supporters.
hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 07:14 am
Back in 1968 when I was a teenaged bomb-throwing radical and I was attending another NY university, we got word that the **** was about to hit the fan at Columbia. We hastily convened a meeting of our campus antiwar group and voted to join the students at Columbia. Three hundred of us entered the 8th Avenue subway, mobbed through the exit gates and packed into next AA train, debarked at 116th and stormed toward the riot, which was already in progress. Of course we were locked out and could only observe the mayhem from behind metal fencing. It was horrendous and at one point I said, mostly to myself, "This isn't ******* real," and a woman next to me said, "Oh yes it is." And when I looked at her she had tears in her eyes and I recognized her as a girl I went to high school with! After chanting antiwar slogans for a while and watching students getting clubbed I realized I'd seen more than enough and I headed back to my dorm. It all seemed so hollow, so far removed from the real war, the real crime. Only a few days later I headed down to Whitehall Street and was inducted into the US Army with a few hundred other draftees and I was in Vietnam by October.
hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2024 07:48 am
@izzythepush,
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And a fat lot of good it did her, the system is already rigged in the Republican's favour...

Yeah, convenient how that works, eh?
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